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Message 5 of 80 (914624)
01-26-2024 1:36 PM
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01-26-2024 9:37 AM


Re: Kenneth Eugene Smith Has Been Executed
The death sentence is cruel punishment on its face, though in this species it is not an unusual one. The reports from Alabama are politically motivated on both sides.
Unfortunately, they do not sedate the prisoner being executed. The state requires he be conscious and aware of his execution. So, I can imagine him strapped onto the gurney in the throes of the deepest darkest existential angst a human mind can suffer. I’d be twitching like a hooked fish. Given the political overtones of the event I can excuse opponents labeling every twitch as extreme pain from breathing nitrogen. I discount the reported interpretations of excessive physical pain as more likely extreme mental anguish. Remember, this was not his first look at the reaper. His previous execution by injection was postponed on the gurney during the needle stick.
What most interests me in this whole thing is the method of death. A truly easy and painless suicide? The physiology appears so. A few sleeping pills to put you out then put on the mask and breath easy. Well, as easy as one can considering what you’re contemplating ... until the pills kick in.
The Swiss may be onto something.
Sarco pod - Wikipedia
'Suicide pod' prototype invented as alternative to assisted death
Also, unfortunately, I can see this new way to kill becoming the national favorite for executions quite soon.

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Message 8 of 80 (914701)
01-29-2024 6:29 PM
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01-29-2024 5:47 PM


An Eye For An Eye
The problem involves the fact that we Americans kill people legally and as many of us stand up and scream about it there aren’t enough to change the laws. Why? I smell religion.
As for the method ... very interesting. I happen to be a big believer in a person's right to off themselves. This nitrogen method looks ... imaginable.

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Message 10 of 80 (914707)
01-29-2024 9:57 PM
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01-29-2024 7:45 PM


Re: An Eye For An Eye
The US government and state governments are secular. However, as often is the case around here Christianity becomes the scapegoat.
The government is secular. The voters are not.
Just a moment...
(Strange journal title. No wait. This is the Death Penalty Information Center reporting on a Pew Research Center survey from April 2021)
quote:
Approximately two-thirds of atheists and six-in-ten agnostics are at least ‘somewhat’ opposed to the use of capital punishment for those convicted of murder, while 60% of U.S. adults favors the death penalty. For particular religious groups, this support is even higher: roughly 75% of white Evangelicals and Protestants favor capital punishment, as well as 61% of Hispanic Catholics. For Black Protestants, capital punishment is a divisive issue, with 50% supporting its use and 47% opposing its use.
I'd say this represents a major share of the voting population. As usual religion, specifically christianity, leads the death cult.

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Message 15 of 80 (914735)
01-31-2024 8:30 PM
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01-31-2024 7:29 PM


Re: An Eye For An Eye
If the life of a person is removed by a person why should that person not need to pay for that life with their own?
If your catechism were true then you just told your master you don't believe him and will not follow in his wake.

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Message 21 of 80 (914744)
01-31-2024 11:34 PM
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01-31-2024 8:54 PM


Re: An Eye For An Eye
In other words give me a reason they should not give their life for taking a life.
They maybe should. But in a prison not a grave.

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Message 23 of 80 (914747)
02-01-2024 1:34 AM
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02-01-2024 1:03 AM


Re: An Eye For An Eye
Society should pay more to incarcerate these people than we do for legitimate homeless people or even ordinary citizens.
Except it is cheaper to jail someone than to kill them.
https://www.amnestyusa.org/...nalty-facts/death-penalty-cost
quote:
Using conservative rough projections, the Commission estimates the annual costs of the present system ($137 million per year), the present system after implementation of the reforms … ($232.7 million per year) … and a system which imposes a maximum penalty of lifetime incarceration instead of the death penalty ($11.5 million).
— California Commission on the Fair Administration of Justice
July 1, 2008
quote:
A 2003 legislative audit in Kansas found that the estimated cost of a death penalty case was 70% more than the cost of a comparable non-death penalty case. Death penalty case costs were counted through to execution (median cost $1.26 million). Non-death penalty case costs were counted through to the end of incarceration (median cost $740,000).
December 2003 Survey by the Kansas Legislative Post Audit
I slaved for all of 30 seconds searching the internet. You could have done the same before posting your errant confusion.
All just to keep a guy alive. Some life he has.
He has a good life compared with the alternative which is none.

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Message 25 of 80 (914750)
02-01-2024 2:33 AM
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02-01-2024 1:58 AM


Re: An Eye For An Eye
So why should the murder get to live and his victim has to die?
The victim does not have to die. The victim is already dead. That is the problem. What to do with the killer?
Most enlightened states know that your kind of religious retribution is barbaric and have thrown off the religious death cults.
That you can't see/support why is a betrayal of your boss. You, apparently, do not believe your religion.

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Message 27 of 80 (914752)
02-01-2024 2:55 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Tangle
01-29-2024 5:47 PM


To be frank I'm surprised that the focus has been entirely on the method and not on whether you guys should really be murdering your own citizens with malice and forethought in any way at all.
Tangle,
Reading through this discussion should give you a small feel for the kind and depth of stupid we have to deal with on this side of the pond. Religion still has its evil talons ahold of our hearts.
Unfortunately, that kind of blind religious stupidity infests our politics a well. We're in trouble over here, Tangle. Pray for us.

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