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ICANT
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Message 76 of 80 (914931)
02-07-2024 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Percy
02-06-2024 8:31 PM


Re: Capital Punishment
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
I didn't say you did. I said you made up that the government takes care of the victims of crime.
And they according to their standards, which is never enough.
Store owners are expected to carry insurance to cover any losses.
You did notice I specified specific losses didn't you?
Percy writes:
I asked you if any country in the world is providing something along the lines of what you described and you cite the United States, the very country you just said you didn't like how they did things. This is contradictory.
And I told you there was none operating my kind of system.
I knew they had a work program. The problem with is only trustees get to work for a pittance. Washing clothes and kitchen and janatorial work.
That would not cover what I was talking about. I was talking about making real money like they could outside. How else are you going to get good citizens out of the prison system.
Look this is just one of my crazy thoughts and I think it would be made to work.
Percy writes:
You just cited the U.S. as a top performer. You're being contradictory again.
No, I cited them as the biggest.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Percy
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Message 77 of 80 (914939)
02-07-2024 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by ICANT
02-07-2024 10:27 AM


Re: Capital Punishment
ICANT in Message 76 writes:
You did notice I specified specific losses didn't you?
A search of your posts reveals you never used the word loss in any form in reference to victims of crimes.
And I told you there was none operating my kind of system.
Then let's try again, this time filling in the correct answer to my question:
Me:Are there any countries in the world where something along these lines is being employed?
You:No.
Me:Then how do you know your proposal would work? Might unworkability be a reason no country is employing it?
Leprechauns Bless!
--Percy

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ICANT
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Posts: 6769
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Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 78 of 80 (914974)
02-07-2024 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Percy
02-07-2024 12:20 PM


Re: Capital Punishment
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
A search of your posts reveals you never used the word loss in any form in reference to victims of crimes.​
In I made these 2 statements in Message 24
quote:
So why should the murder get to live and his victim has to die?
quote:
Had the murder not executed his victim they would have got to live.
In Message 70 I said:
quote:
Why should I pay for their vacation from work? Not that they were ever going to work anyway. Their victims paid for that.
I made these 2 statements inMessage 46
quote:
That is what the victims have to do as well as the families of the criminal.
quote:
It would benefit them more if the penal system had factories the inmates could work and make money and support the victims.
No place did I say victims of crimes.
I have been talking about Capital Punishment and what I would prefer the punishment for murder should be rather than the punishment for a few murders has been.
In Message 72 I said:
quote:
Certainly! When a woman’s spouse is incarcerated, there are government programs and resources available to assist her and her children during this challenging time.
In Message 72 I also listed 8 different places a family can get help in trying times like the Husband being murdered.
I found all of this .
But I can't find where I said the victims of crimes.
Since we are talking about capital punishment which is death there is only two capital cases murder and treason.
Me:Are there any countries in the world where something along these lines is being employed?
You:No. change to yes. Germany, and Russia. but not to my extent. In Germany the inmates are paid for working and most of that is paid for their upkeep. In Russia some get paid most don't. Both countries have manufacturing and many other type of work.
Me:Then how do you know your proposal would work? Might unworkability be a reason no country is employing it?
As I understand it Russia has signed 96 million US dollars of contracts with business due to the shortage of labor because of their war, and people leaving the country.
in the US inmates get little or no pay.
Due to my experience in the labor force.
To get people to do more you compensate them for what they do.
The problem would be having secure facilities for the manufacturing. As well as securing the tools at night and making sure they all were accounted for daily.
You would want to start with those who would have the most to gain out of the learning a trade. That would be the ones with least time to their release date, and then work from there.
If we can figure out how to go to the moon and we should be able to figure out how to make a self-supporting system. But it would have to be figured out by some business men. Since our government can't figure out how to balance a budget without borrowing trillions of dollars.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Percy
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Message 79 of 80 (914983)
02-08-2024 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by ICANT
02-07-2024 10:17 PM


Re: Capital Punishment
ICANT in Message 78 writes:
No place did I say victims of crimes.
Sure you did, right here, which is where this digression began:
ICANT in Message 65 writes:
I worked as a slave for 65 years making money that the government took from me to spend taking care of the criminals and their victims.
There's no point in denying that you said something when it's right there in the thread.
Me:Are there any countries in the world where something along these lines is being employed?
You:No. change to yes. Germany, and Russia. but not to my extent. In Germany the inmates are paid for working and most of that is paid for their upkeep. In Russia some get paid most don't. Both countries have manufacturing and many other type of work.
First you say the US tops the list, now it's Germany and Russia? You are literally all over the place. I'll pass.
I think we can all agree that the prison system in the U.S. could use significant reforms.
--Percy

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ICANT
Member (Idle past 288 days)
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 80 of 80 (914989)
02-08-2024 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Percy
02-08-2024 9:09 AM


Re: Capital Punishment
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
the criminals and their victims.
that does not say "victims of crimes." It says "criminals and their victims."
Our prisons is where criminals are housed and fed so our government is spending our money to take care of them.
If I remember what the subject is that we are talking about it is capital punishment, is that correct?
If that is what we are discussing and my memory serves me well I was talking about a family where the husband was killed and his wife and 4 children were left husbandless an the children fatherless there was all kinds of assistance she could obtain and a lot of it was by the government that my tax dollars paid for.
I then gave my opinion on what the punishment of that man should be.
Why pass?
Germany even has a minimum wage they have to pay the prisoners.
The US is almost as bad as Russia. They pay some prisoners and others get nothing.
The US also has a much larger prison population.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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