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Message 304 of 697 (915236)
02-11-2024 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by AZPaul3
02-10-2024 12:40 PM


Who Owns What?
AZ writes:
The evidence is all we can rely on since our emotions are too prone to fantasy as you so well exhibit.
So are you suggesting that humans without emotions would progress more efficiently?
AZ writes:
There is no god evident in the reality we see. There is no hint of such supernatural processes interfering with the matter/energy of this universe which would leave marks we are well able to discern.
I would be careful speaking on behalf of humanity. You only conclude what YOU see. You can't incorporate human thinking into your personal default.
AZ, lecturing a newbie writes:
From the available evidence your god is not and your beloved afterlife of forced forever adulation for all eternity is not, and your personal salvation by the divine saving you from the sting of death is not.

Your problem is not with science or evolution. Your problem is with what the universe has shown you. This universe just will not comport to your fantasy.
Seems as if the Universe "itself" is your God.
nwr, responding to ICANT writes:
If you don't have God existing, then you cannot be a theist. And since you cannot tell us how God came to exist, then you must be an atheist.

I'm just using the same kind of reasoning that you are using. I don't actually believe it is valid reasoning, just as I don't believe your reasoning is valid.
Objective evidence is your standard. The Universe provides objective evidence within the framework of what we know and is much easier to "worship" than an unknown God.
AZ, responding to ICANT writes:
What, exactly, do you mean by 'exact science'?
I think that the good Reverand has concluded that belief is not falsifiable. You havent.

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Message 305 of 697 (915237)
02-11-2024 10:59 AM
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02-11-2024 10:51 AM


That's a bit cruel, isn't it?

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Phat
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Message 540 of 697 (915933)
02-20-2024 1:48 PM
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02-20-2024 11:40 AM


To Thine Own Self Be True
Taq writes:
You mean the Biblical principles like not having any other God before the God of the Bible? How would that work in a pluralistic society with freedom of religion?
People have always been free to believe whatever they want. Science and religion can always coexist if each discipline "stays in its own lane". Thats my opinion, anyway.

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Phat
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Message 609 of 697 (916219)
02-27-2024 8:25 AM
Reply to: Message 604 by Tangle
02-27-2024 3:06 AM


Re: Repeating Old Mistakes
The whole idea is that God speaks through Man. The problem is that Man does the final editing!
I really liked your last post, Percy. We have Faith and we have Evidence. Two different concepts yet philosophically interlinked.
We should never throw away evidence to defend Faith nor should we throw away Faith and seek only Evidence for the sake of humanity.
Percy, I also liked what you said 16 years ago, before closing ICANTS thread then.Message 405
Percy:
When I originally began this site I intended that debate threads should close with an assessment by the moderator. As things have worked out most threads do not have any consistent moderation (I never imagined that there would be so many simultaneously active threads), and I haven't really moderated this thread though I think I've read all of it, but in any case, I'd like to offer an assessment.

One of the most wonderful qualities of the Internet is venues where those who want to learn can ask questions. It isn't uncommon to have the good fortune to find someone who knows a great deal about what you want to know, and that is certainly true of this thread, whose participants included a couple true cosmological experts and several sufficiently competent amateurs given the level of this discussion.

Those asking the cosmological questions could have learned a great deal, and perhaps they even did, no way to be sure at this point, but what this thread makes clear is that you can only explain something to someone who already believes it is true. If they believe it is false then they'll find every excuse and opportunity to avoid reaching an understanding.

But this practice isn't unique to those approaching science from a spiritual perspective, it is also true of the reverse, as we often see when science minded folks ask Christians about the Trinity.

So the problem becomes how do you explain something to someone who doesn't believe it and only wants to disprove it? We can argue that one doesn't have to accept it, just understand it, but this turns out not to be so easy to do, for anyone from either side of this debate.


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