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Author Topic:   Who Owns the Standard Definition of Evolution
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Message 166 of 698 (915086)
02-09-2024 7:42 PM
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02-09-2024 7:38 PM


sensei writes:
Lol, no they are not. If you are so clueless on this matter (especially even after I showed a clear example), you should not do science, honestly.
Your example showed no such thing. I am a scientist, and I use statistics all of the time. What research do you do? What science do you do? What statistical tests do you use? Also, a bit of history:
Lady tasting tea - Wikipedia

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Message 167 of 698 (915087)
02-09-2024 7:43 PM
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02-09-2024 7:40 PM


sensei writes:
How likely is it that the coin was indeed very close to 50% chance for heads and 50% chance for tails each toss?
We are testing the method for predicting whether the next toss will be heads or tails. Please read what I wrote.

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Message 168 of 698 (915088)
02-09-2024 7:43 PM
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02-09-2024 7:40 PM


Re: Mutations Confirm Common Descent
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Cars can use diesel or electric motors.
What is your point? Animals can have fur or feathers or something else. I can also name differences. But what is the point?
You are really good at totally missing the point. As expected for someone who has gone to believe in a faulty theory. As you usually need to be bad at logic to go this wrong.

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Message 169 of 698 (915089)
02-09-2024 7:48 PM
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02-09-2024 7:43 PM


Re: Mutations Confirm Common Descent
sensei writes:
What is your point?
My point is that separately created cars use different systems contrary to your claims.
Animals can have fur or feathers or something else. I can also name differences. But what is the point?
My point, as has been repeated several times now, is that there is no functional reason why separately created life would have to use the same tRNA's and codons.
You are really good at totally missing the point. As expected for someone who has gone to believe in a faulty theory. As you usually need to be bad at logic to go this wrong.
I have repeated the point multiple times now. Here it is again.
My point, as has been repeated several times now, is that there is no functional reason why separately created life would have to use the same tRNA's and codons.
My point, as has been repeated several times now, is that there is no functional reason why separately created life would have to use the same tRNA's and codons.
My point, as has been repeated several times now, is that there is no functional reason why separately created life would have to use the same tRNA's and codons.
Here is the other point.
There is absolutely no reason why separately created kinds would need to fall into a nested hierarchy. Separately created cars do not fall into a nested hierarchy.
There is absolutely no reason why separately created kinds would need to fall into a nested hierarchy. Separately created cars do not fall into a nested hierarchy.
There is absolutely no reason why separately created kinds would need to fall into a nested hierarchy. Separately created cars do not fall into a nested hierarchy.

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Message 170 of 698 (915090)
02-09-2024 7:48 PM
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02-09-2024 7:43 PM


quote:
We are testing the method for predicting whether the next toss will be heads or tails. Please read what I wrote.
Wrong. You managed to miss the point again.
We want to know how likely a theory is to be true. As you claim it to be beyond doubt.
So in this case, it is about how likely the theory of 50% chance is true.
Really, the fact that I need to spell out every single step for you, should not be surprising to me any more. But the huge lack of intelligence that you display here, while claiming to be working in science (and I don't doubt that), makes me feel sorry for the state of science in some areas.

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Message 171 of 698 (915091)
02-09-2024 7:51 PM
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02-09-2024 7:48 PM


Re: Mutations Confirm Common Descent
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My point, as has been repeated several times now, is that there is no functional reason why separately created life would have to use the same tRNA's and codons.
Sure, because we know every function of all parts of the DNA, and nothing of genetics hold any mystery for us anymore, right?
Really, such arrogance often leads to error.

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Message 172 of 698 (915092)
02-09-2024 7:52 PM
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02-09-2024 7:48 PM


sensei writes:
Wrong. You managed to miss the point again.

We want to know how likely a theory is to be true. As you claim it to be beyond doubt.

So in this case, it is about how likely the theory of 50% chance is true.
The chances of you correctly predicting 10 consecutive flips of the coin is 2^10, or 1 in 1024. Do the math.
There are 10^38 possible trees for 30 species. Therefore, the chances of the independent morphological and molecular trees matching is 1 in 1x10^38. They match.

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Message 173 of 698 (915093)
02-09-2024 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by sensei
02-09-2024 7:43 PM


Re: Mutations Confirm Common Descent
sensei in Message 168 writes:
What is your point? Animals can have fur or feathers or something else. I can also name differences. But what is the point?
Yep, and no where do you see mammals with feathers. And no where do you see Ford cars with Chevy engines. An no automobiles fit into nested hierarchies.
You are really good at totally missing the point.
Your point is false and not supported by the evidence.

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What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
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The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Message 174 of 698 (915094)
02-09-2024 7:58 PM
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02-09-2024 7:51 PM


Re: Mutations Confirm Common Descent
sensei writes:
Sure, because we know every function of all parts of the DNA, and nothing of genetics hold any mystery for us anymore, right?
Like I said, your ignorance is what prevents you from understanding the evidence.
We definitely know enough about tRNA's and protein translation to state that the relationship between the anti-codons in tRNA's and the amino acids attached to them are arbitrary.
The enzymes that attach the amino acid the the 3' end of the tRNA molecule recognize the sequence on the D loop. Change the sequence on the D loop and you change the amino acid attached to the tRNA. The anticodon at the bottom of the molecule is what binds to mRNA through complementary base binding. You can swap and trade D loops and anticodons all you want without affecting any function. There is no physical law nor any biological function that requires a specific relationship between amino acid and anticodon. If you knew the basics of molecular biology you would already know this.

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Message 175 of 698 (915095)
02-09-2024 8:00 PM
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02-09-2024 7:52 PM


quote:
The chances of you correctly predicting 10 consecutive flips of the coin is 2^10, or 1 in 1024. Do the math.
So you fail to understand even a single question. I'm not gonna repeat myself. But serioulsy, you should quit your job, better not than tomorrow.

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Message 176 of 698 (915096)
02-09-2024 8:03 PM
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02-09-2024 8:00 PM


sensei writes:
So you fail to understand even a single question. I'm not gonna repeat myself. But serioulsy, you should quit your job, better not than tomorrow.
So says the person who doesn't know the basics of molecular biology, nor the probability of correctly predicting 10 consecutive flips of the coin. You can't do the basic math, and you don't understand even the basics of statistics. By the way, the chances of correctly predicting 10 consecutive flips of the coin is not 50-50. Just goes to show how bad your math skills are.

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Message 177 of 698 (915097)
02-09-2024 8:04 PM
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02-09-2024 7:58 PM


Re: Mutations Confirm Common Descent
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Like I said, your ignorance is what prevents you from understanding the evidence.
Says the one who changes subject all the time.
Like when a noob claims if two things are the same color, they must be the same object. And one replies, you can have a red car and a red flower. Then you reply, but but but cars can also be blue. You miss the point like this all the time at every single step of the logic. You are extremely ignorant and clueless.

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Message 178 of 698 (915098)
02-09-2024 8:05 PM
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02-09-2024 8:03 PM


quote:
By the way, the chances of correctly predicting 10 consecutive flips of the coin is not 50-50.
I rest my case. You are hopeless.

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Message 179 of 698 (915099)
02-09-2024 8:06 PM
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02-09-2024 8:00 PM


It's a simple question.
The chances of you correctly predicting 10 consecutive flips of the coin is 2^10, or 1 in 1024. If this is incorrect, show us you can do the math.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3

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Taq
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Message 180 of 698 (915100)
02-09-2024 8:06 PM
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02-09-2024 8:04 PM


Re: Mutations Confirm Common Descent
sensei writes:
Says the one who changes subject all the time.
You are the one who introduced cars, coins, etc.
Like when a noob claims if two things are the same color, they must be the same object. And one replies, you can have a red car and a red flower. Then you reply, but but but cars can also be blue. You miss the point like this all the time at every single step of the logic. You are extremely ignorant and clueless.
We aren't claiming that similarities are evidence for evolution. We are saying that a NESTED HIERARCHY is evidence for evolution. Look who is changing the subject now?

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