The Historical Jesus: Did He Create the Universe?

I'm baffled why this would be in a science forum.Jesus is fictional and cannot be shown to be historical and he isn't mentioned anywhere in the bible's genesis.There is exactly the same evidence that Harry Potter created the Universe as Jesus.

Ok, I see what you're saying here. Man, that's really clever, if the time dimension is eternal, then 10^59 joules might fit into that pea sized thing. And if it's eternal you don't have to do any messy math, nope sorry, no math needed.I've been trying to understand fields and how much of the matter seems to be composed of fields that make it seem to have structure but that's an illusion and really it's empty space. Maybe you've got some experiments that will figure that one out?So, what do you think about black holes? I'm trying to figure out why the event horizon doesn't cut off gravity just like it does light? I mean, the speed of light and gravity are the same, so something is fishy! And then there's the questions about what must actually be in there, it's gotta be either an extra dense neutron star or it's shrunk down to nothing, but there must be something because we've picked up the signal of gravity wave pulses when 2 black holes merged. Do you think the gravity pulse was caused by the event horizons colliding or the cores colliding? And apparently black holes can spin really, really fast and they can actually drag nearby space. I bet the probability of 2 black holes that are merging with each other spinning in the same direction is low.I was just reading about multiple gravity wave detection systems proposed in the next 10+ years. It turns out you have to design your system to be sensitive to specific bands, different detectors would be listening to specific cosmic events events, mostly big, heavy stuff crashing into each other. Man, there's an amazing amount of information in these signals about these objects. And are there enough of these mergers of massive bodies in the visible Universe to provide a background gravity wave humm that can be used to probe for undetected structure in the Universe? I have been trying to get both my grandkids interested in this field.Oh yeah, before I forget, does the 10^59 joules include what's inside all the black holes in the Universe?

So, I guess that means he's never going to explain black holes for me.

Me neither! Jesus don't need no stankin' physics!

I just have to ask, how do you tell which direction is in front or behind you in space? is it just whatever is behind your head?

Also, talking about galaxies "behind the Milky Way" refers to galaxies that are partly hidden from us by the gas, dust, and stars of the bulk of the Milky Way, playing peekaboo as it were.And also, ICANT doesn't seem to realize that space is expanding here and everywhere along our line of sight to a distant galaxy, so the expansion rate adds up, and the apparent recession rate is higher and higher the further apart they get. So, the expansion stays the same rate within each light year segment along that line of sight to that distant galaxy, but they are receding from each other at at an increasing rate, because the expansion is causing more light year segments.What's actually causing the expansion is the mystery astrophysicist types want to understand. To me it is starting to look more like a feature of the Universe, built in or developing over time rather than the coasting from a Big Bang "explosion." I'm still trying to figure if the cosmologists/astrophysicists are saying that the expansion of the Big Bang is the same event or effect as "Inflation?"Is the Big Bang an event or an ongoing process?

I should not be, but I'm amazed that you think you answered the question that I asked AND that you even quoted. What are you talking about? Everything is at the same starting point.Do you understand that WITHOUT A REFERENCE POINT YOU CANNOT SAY WHAT IS IN FRONT OR BEHIND YOU OTHER THAN WHAT IS IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE AND WHAT IS BEHIND YOUR HEAD? IF YOU SWIVEL YOUR HEAD SOMETHING ELSE ID IN FRONT AND BEHIND YOU.The expansion of space does not impart a velocity on matter (objects) embedded in space, rather it adds space between objects which makes them recede from each other as time goes on, but that does not create velocity within the local space of the objects.70 km/sec per Mega parsec (Mpc= 3,260,000 light years) is an approximation of the rate of expansion, so that means that if we look at 2 galaxies that are 1 Mpc apart they will be receding from each other at 70 km every second. Front and behind have no meaning in this situation.
*This has no influence on assigning directions with out a stationary reference to objects in space, which was my question.This doesn't address my question and it demonstrates a flaw in your understanding of BBT. Nothing came out of that thing that was one billionth the size of an atom, instead the thing that was one billionth the size of an atom, grew larger.OK, that sounds simple to understand. So please point out the "exact opposite outsides" from our position right here and now. And exactly where is "outside"If my understanding is correct, when we look in any direction, the furthest objects we can see (with JWST) are early galaxies a bit more than 13 billion light years away, AND when someone on one of those objects points their JWST in any direction, they also see objects that are a bit over 13 billion light years way from them. So, as counter-intuitive as it seems no galaxy is closer to the "boundary (outside) of the Universe" than any other galaxy. AND, even more mind blowing, the center of the Universe is the whole volume of the Universe!Yep, that sounds preposterous because it is preposterous. The estimates from different observations are that the expansion rate is ~70km every second, per every megaparsec. So objects 3,260,000 light years (1 megaparsec) apart are getting 70 km further apart every second. Object 2 megaparsecs apart are receding from each other at 140 km every second. As the distance increases, obviously so does the recession speed. * ABE: I also wanted to point out, if we rotate our position 180 degrees and look at an object the same distance away, but in the opposite direction we will see that we seem to be receding from it at the same rate as the from the first object. SO, WE ARE RECEDING AT THE SAME RATE FROM OBJECTS AT THE SAME DISTANCE, BUT FROM EVERY DIRECTION! WOW!
So, which direction are we moving, again?

Which specific animal would you say they are acting like?Every single behavior you listed are only demonstrated in humans, it's human behavior. All the behaviors you hate are a part of every generation but on a planet with 8+ billion people there are an increasing number of people doing things you hate, so you see more behavior you hate. There are more people doing good things, too.

So, 177 posts in this thread and still no Jesus did it model.

I don't give a rat's ass about that. You play endless empty pointless word games.You're just stalling because you have nothing, no model of Jesus creating the Universe.You're a fraud! Put up or shut up. What a waste of time!

I don't know what the scholars say, I don't have any interest what the scholars say. What I think has no affect on whether you can present a model explaining how Jesus created the Universe, you know the title of your thread where you chicken out once again, surprise, surprise.The bible is fiction and so is the story of Jesus. Now, put up or shut up. I'm a science nerd waiting and waiting for you to actually say something.

No this was Tany addressing ICANT, to try and get him to quit stalling.He boasted that he could prove Jesus created the Universe, but still hasn't presented a model. He's a fraud and a poser.ABE: I don't know if he's a scholar or not, but the subject of this thread is not Hebrew history, it's cosmology. This isn't a class, and ICANT stinks as a teacher.

As far as I can tell, entomologists are concerned by the marked decline, because we still have limited knowledge of the life cycles of most species of insects and the ones we study the most are just the ones that have have a direct impact on agriculture, as pests or pollinators. We do know that insects are the major players in the in the terrestrial natural world and that extinctions of whole swaths of insect species would cause whole ecosystems to collapse. There are clear and obvious human activities that are causing the rapid declines of populations, so, no entomologists are not "a bit puzzled."This is off topic.

Yep, That's why I ignore them, studies of imaginary characters in fictional books, as evidence for how the Universe started fails to provide useful knowledge.And I don't just mean in this narrow thread, but in my whole life I have never read anything by biblical scholars, because actual scientific discoveries demonstrated that almost everything in the bible is inaccurate and unverifiable and contradictory.When I was much younger I read the bible twice and the new testament a couple more times and and I still think "Holy Crap" how could anyone over 8 years old believe this shit?

He seems to think he's a great showman, but it's mostly ridiculous boasting.