The Historical Jesus: Did He Create the Universe?

Matters? To whom? In what way? More important? See above.All the evidence we can see indicates the thin film of slime that is life covering this planet is just a side result of the forces involved in this universe's main task of making suns. This universe appears well tuned for making suns, not life. This universe appears to have no care for life.

That is the calculation you are asked to show. How much energy was there and why could it not fit in the new universe?BTW, 2 trillion galaxies is on the conservative side.

Reality seems to favor the latter.

Yet, it does, just as required.

Then the problem doesn't exist. You haven't kept up. JWST came on line and has rocked the universe. 13.8 is still the consensus but the deep field studies are throwing up some surprising results. Numbers like 28 billion and more are being hypothesized. Cosmologists are in their happy place building new models and salivating over new studies. This is a most glorious time for cosmologists. You're missing out. You said it couldn't. How do you know? Where's your evidence? If you don't, then why? This is ICANT cosmology. What is the energy balance of the ICANT universe? I'm not here to impress you. This is your thread, Reverend. You say it cannot be done. Why?

This is a religion thread. He is allowed to use scripture in place of evidence. He is allowed to interpret that scripture to fit his desired narrative. He can magic away any objections. He can lie. This will not be discussion. This will be proselytizing.We can expect some comedic value but no knowledge or enlightenment.

While ICANT is busy with this sideshow let me directly and succinctly answer this in his stead.Did Jesus create the universe? Yes.How? Magic.QEDNow ICANT needn't be sidelined by the minutia of the main topic.

Like I said: Jesus ... magic ... universe.Other than some minor details that may be raised like a talking snake or an explanation of the CMB this pretty much exhausts the entire topic from a religious view.

We respect a consensus of scientists ... not a consensus of christian apologists.

I can't. This is a religion thread. We can't do science here, only majik.So the results of your set up would be: Two groups ... majik ... the answer. Doesn't matter. Religionists are religionists whether they are singing in the choir or writing apologetics.

In a stand-up comic act on Comedy Central. Religion threads are, by definition, fantasy. No truth to them. In your intellectually stunted state we can understand such perception errors. The universe definitely had plenty of energy to work with, ICANT. But it wasn't your majik what brung it. It may have been the vacuum energy of space itself that rushed in to fill the void left when the inflaton field quiesced. A stark phase transition. We haven't made that solid in theory, yet, but we know whatever happened was not religious so was not from any majik.

Only in your twisted fantasy world where everything must conclude god regardless of the evidence. You go into discussion with your steel-trap mind already rusted shut. As usual you try to project your own stupidity onto the rest of reality.This is where religion fails humanity. You insist on fantasy rather than reality. You insist on falsehoods rather than truth.If we follow where the evidence leads your fantasies do not exist outside your tortured injured head.

Daring? We DEMAND you show the evidence! Daring, my ass.

No one can answer that question with precision. You know that. And, as usual with religionists, you think our lack of knowledge is proof of your god. Yours is a god borne of ignorance.Your insistence that we know everything before your god dies is rejected. We know enough to have killed the concept of gods many many times over these last 200 years and we have done just that. You have no ghosts to pray to except those imagined in the darkest depths of your inferior mind.

We can't say for certain how the initial energy came to be in this universe but we know that it did. We physically observe the after effects. We have an actual picture of those after effects.A part of your intellectual failings is the inability to acknowledge the logic of our models as evidence. No, we cannot see the photon jump quantum orbitals but our models say it must and the universe appears to operate as such.Our models also tell us what happened to create the CMB and the state of the universe prior. And the universe appears to operate as those models have revealed. So, yes, we have more than sufficient evidence that the workings of this universe from T=10^-33 on to the present are well known to us.I know you are too ignorant to understand the logic, reasoning, math, science that makes this so. Unfortunately, I am too ignorant to adequately explain it to you. That depends on the quality of your evidence. Your WORD will not suffice. Give us the mathematical models that describe the processes you propose. Show us the logic from those models that evidence your claims. Give us the strict treatment of fact and logic that you demand of us. Your god died centuries ago. Unfortunately, the stench of the rotting corpse is still with us. Still squirming with the "prove a negative" crap. Your logic is pathetic. I've seen no proof or truth from any of your supposed evidences.Regardless, in deference to Tangle, I will not dispute this BS. You can get on with your argument that your supposed historical Jesus created something. Idiocy, Reverend. The preponderance of the facts, the evidence, replaces faith with reality. You are the one for whom facts mean nothing when they interfere with your faith. You're trying to hide behind your projections again.