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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: |
You are missing my point. What they have to say doesn't interest me because the whole subject of the bible is of absolutely no interest to me. It is fiction written by ignorant bronze age goat herders, and as I said earlier I'm surprised (and embarrassed) anyone over 8 years of age believes any of it.
The only reason I'm posting anything here is because I'm impatient waiting for ICANT to get to the point of the thread. So far, he's been bullshitting us, or peddling the wind as my grandfather used to say.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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If you want to be prejudiced and ignorant that’s up to you. But it’s not a good thing. Well, since I am well aware that I cannot possibly know everything I have chosen to study the subjects that interest me and to not worry about knowledge that I am unaware of, or that does not affect my life. I know a little bit about subjects I have studied, but EvC is the only place in my life where I even take minimal notice of any religious discussions, and my main participation in those is mostly pointing out hypocrisy and BS. Reading the bible was convincing that none of it would add anything positive in my life.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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What? That may be your point, but it is not mine. My only point is impatience waiting for ICANT to present his cosmological model.
He's demanding some sort of concession before he will start, which he is not going to ever get from me. He keeps telling us he's got something to tell us, but it's all BS.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: |
Phat in Message 205 writes: If humans go extinct would that be just how it is? Would that be natural? Natural as apposed to synthetic? I guess it would be synthetic if we caused our own extinction. I have no idea what your first question means.
For these reasons, I think that discussing life cycles of life is very much on topic. Life is not the subject of this thread, rather the Jesus Big Bang is the topic. When I use the term "life cycle" I'm talking about how insects have an egg stage, where are their eggs deposited? The larval stage what do they eat and how do they avoid predators, and the pupae stage, where do they hide it so it can metamorphose into an adult, and then everything about their life. Each stage of their lifecycle is completely different and can be in completely different habitat. Then there are the insects like dragonflies and grasshoppers, for example, that do not have a pupae stage, just a nymph that grows larger and molts its exoskeleton periodically until the final molt into an adult. Most invertebrate species also have multiple distinct life stages, their own unique lifecycle.
For these reasons, I think that discussing life cycles of life is very much on topic. IF Jesus initially created all seen and unseen, He is very much pro-life and wants no life to go extinct without reason. I don't agree. Species go extinct for specific reasons and adding Jesus to discussions about biology makes about as much sense as trying to decide which taxonomic Phylum or Order angels belong to. If you want to talk about biology then start a topic in the Biological Evolution Forum.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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Phat in Message 208 writes: Keep in mind that ICANT has his small congregation as his priority, just as you have your life priorities and tasks to do. He, like us, finds time occasionally to engage in dialogue at EvC in his spare time. Then he should quit wasting time jerking us around and address the subject.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: |
I imagine that he's working hard on his magnum opus that will be so clear and concise that it will totally blow our minds! Every question will be answered!
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: |
Most religious professionals either out right lie or vastly misrepresent what is in religious scriptures. I never understood the need to say a guy so he could tell you what the text means. Grift and graft. That's sure what it looked like to me when I was young and still thinking I could understand the new testament. By understand I mean put together a consistent narrative that held together and made sense in a logical way. It became clear that was never going to be possible, so I lost interest. Separately, I will never understand why professionals in some fields lie about their observations. I would feel such a loss of self respect to lie about my observations in my professional field and risk the utter humiliation of being exposed. No one would trust me again! Ignorance about Christianity, is the most common characteristic of christians in my experience, all the other bullshit flows from that ignorance.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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Phat in Message 223 writes: Why is there such a division between the Peanut Gallery and the Pulpit Gallery? Evidence vs faith.
You do know that this is a Faith & Belief topic so basically any reasonable discussion is fair game...no model needed and no objective evidence. What I cant figure out is why you are interested. I am aware which forum this is. ICANT made boasts that he had a model for Jesus creating the Universe so we called him on it. And you guys have no problem quoting bible crap in science forums, so grow a pair.
If God existed as a human, do you really expect that He would hand you objective proof? Yeah, what possible reasonable excuse for complete disengagement from a god that craves worship, a god that is a worship vampire?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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Phat in Message 229 writes: It appears that ICANT is arguing for a better understanding. That's what we are waiting to see, but so far, he's chickened out.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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243 posts and still nothing...
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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ICANT in Message 255 writes: How about we start off with an energy source of pure energy that is unlimited. Pure energy, huh? So, how did you determine the purity of the energy? I guess this implies that there are other impure forms of energy? What form does this pure energy take, is it supercharged electrons, or gamma rays, high power lasers, big springs being stretched or compressed, gasoline that can explode?
That energy source exists in an eternal existence. Ok, How did you test to confirm its eternal existence, what kind of tests did you do? And if it's eternal, how do you get it out of the source?
That would mean that there was a light period in that existence because energy is not black. Good, so far we have energy that is:1. pure 2. eternal 3. not black How long had that light period lasted, eternally in the past and the future. I'm missing your point here. If something is eternal, asking how long it lasted doesn't seem answerable.
We have daylight (day) and darkness (night) due to the rotation of the earth in relation to the sun, but existence is not affected by our conditions. Those conditions were created for mankind to function. So day and night were created so mankind could function, but it doesn't affect existence? Please explain.
Now just picture Jesus sectioning off a section in existence and injecting it with an enormous amount of energy that is eternal in existence. Do you mean like with a great big syringe sucking up the energy from existence, and squirting it into eternal existence? Or more like a big spatula scraping energy that already exists in eternity into an eternal existence?
Can you even get an inkling of what kind of light show that would create when all that energy began to move at the speed of light at the same time ? I can't really get an inkling. So the energy was motionless until it started moving at the speed of light, all at once? What forces kept it motionless and what forces caused it to start moving?
It could have started out the size of the Milky Way and Andromedia combined, to start with at the moment Jesus began to move it around to start creating all the parts and pieces of the universe we see and do not see? I'm not sure what your question here is. Is Jesus moving light around like shining a flashlight in different directions?
You ask could it have been bigger? The answer would be yes, it could of been just as big as Jesus wanted it to be as when He created the Universe He had all power required to do anything. Good, we don't have to even think about sizes because it was every possible size all at once. Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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ICANT in Message 262 writes: The universe is full of energy. Do you mean there's energy everywhere in the Universe or do you mean there's no more room for energy in the Universe?
ICANT in Message 262 writes: The universe is not going to die for a lack of energy just the opposite it will melt with fervent heat. Can you explain further? What is the mechanism of this melting and just exactly what is melting? Is it dripping too? Can a sun melt? How hot will it get? Is there more energy being created and if it can melt, why hasn't already melted? Is fervent heat that new green energy I've been hearing about?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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ICANT in Message 249 writes: I got about 3000 post trying to find out what existed that created the universe and where the energy came from to do so. The only answer I have got so far is that "we don't know." Well, you didn't say how many times people posted "we don't know" or if there is a problem with that answer. Did people say they knew the answer and then it turned out they didn't? Do you think people know the answers and are refusing to tell you?
But just keep hanging around with both feet on the floor and I will get to it shortly. We had a busy weekend at Church and things are still hectic around the house as my wife had surgery on her legs last week. I have been busy too, but I can post here while my imaging computer is processing photos for me. My grandson is home on leave for the first time in 2.5 years and I'm meeting my great-grandson for the first time. Some kinds of busy are more enjoyable than others. Take care.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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Well, thanks for responding.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: |
ICANT in Message 277 writes: I put this one last as I would like to say the evidence I presented is very relevant to the subject we are going to be discussing. That is if we can come to a decision if facts are going to count. I know that everybody knows what they believe and no one wants facts to get in the way of what they believe. But facts are all that matters. Either accept the evidence or retute it. So far, I haven't seen any verifiable evidence to support your assertions. Your whole argument is simply "god of the gaps."Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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