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Author | Topic: Cosmological Constant and Dark Energy has been in the news for months. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
But the last week, it has been reported widely.
The largest survey of the sky, reported back in January, showed that there was probably only a 5% chance Dark Energy had the numbers that matched up with a supposed value of the "Cosmological Constant". I always preferred a 100% flat universe, as it was seen as the most consistent cosmological topography which was consistent with the Many Worlds Theory. But I doubted the Dark Energy was very good proof of the perfect "cosmological constant". I dont feel a 100% flat universe is needed for the Many Worlds Theory to be possible. (Copenhagen is still about to get buried overnight, when psychic studies are finally released The relevant study, released in January (But the developing results have been leaked for years).
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quote: It was only a matter of time until the numbers did not match up. I have mixed feelings : I feel it is a blow to see the absolutely perfect critical density Dark Energy number miracle fall apart. But, the (um)clue is a fortunate one, if one values science. It is actually scary to think that a pure coincidence could have caused us to assume all of the expansion of space was due to a "cosmological constant" when our perfect number inflation observation was more of an artifact fluke. (The more logical heads always knew that the number match value, per the Ia supernova observations, could be just a coincidence, as coincidences can and do happen all the time. Not all observations carry the same weight. This 25 year old - now obsolete - "cosmological constant" is an example of an observation that always could have been interpreted differently) (A good example of a non-coincidence example would be the hypothetical VHS tape of an alternate universe 1983 AFC Championship game featuring John Elway & the L.A. Raiders defeating Dan Marino's Baltimore Colts at Memorial Stadium in early 1984, then a tape of the Raiders beating the Redskins in the Superbowl with Van McCelroy winning the MVP after intercepting a pass and making 6 tackles. A piece of evidence for a Quantum Tuner, it would be! If only...) Edited by LamarkNewAge, : we are fortunate enough that Edited by LamarkNewAge, . Edited by LamarkNewAge, . Edited by LamarkNewAge, . Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Fixed quote box formating. Edited by Admin, : More fixes.
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Admin Director Posts: 13107 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
Thread copied here from the Cosmological Constant and Dark Energy has been in the news for months. thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
(Copenhagen is still about to get buried overnight, when psychic studies are finally released The relevant study, released in January (But the developing results have been leaked for years). Really? Psychic studies?
I feel it is a blow to see the absolutely perfect critical density Dark Energy number miracle fall apart. So, I think it's interesting that the microwave background observations indicate a different expansion rate for the Universe than the observations of Type 1A supernovae, but it seems clear that they must not be measuring the exact same thing, one or the other, or both, have some unknown factors that are skewing the results. I'm not sure what you want to discuss, or if you really meant psychic studies and miracles, or if it's your personal feelings about cosmology as if you have a stake in the final explanation?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Percy Member Posts: 22929 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
Can't tell where you're going with this, but the big cosmological questions of our time are:
--Percy
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Taq Member Posts: 10295 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4 |
LamarkNewAge writes: But, the (um)clue is a fortunate one, if one values science. It is actually scary to think that a pure coincidence could have caused us to assume all of the expansion of space was due to a "cosmological constant" when our perfect number inflation observation was more of an artifact fluke. The cosmological constant was thrown out a long time ago once we observed that the universe was expanding. The CC was something Einstein threw in because he thought the universe was eternal and static, so there had to be something that perfectly balanced the universe between expanding and contracting. Once we understood that the universe wasn't static then there was no need for the CC. Could the CC make a comeback? Maybe. That's what the article you quoted was suggesting. However, the CC isn't a part of modern Big Bang models, so it isn't a problem if the CC is not brought back.
But I doubted the Dark Energy was very good proof of the perfect "cosmological constant". Who is saying that Dark Energy is good proof of the CC? Einstein called the CC his biggest mistake, and that was before the discovery of dark energy.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
quote: The relevant study had to do with what I quoted. The Chilean observatory DES study. The other issue: Copenhagen has a theoretical "COLLAPSE" of the wave function. Undefined numbers of particle get "observed" and the quantum superposition (in Hibbert space) of these particles (however many and in what conglomeration?) collapses, and then classical physics kicks in (at some undefined size boundary, when the quantum object world becomes a classical object. The Many Worlds Interpretation also has an undefined particle number problem in the first field issue of play, but the conglomeration field is much cleaner: There exists a UNIVERSAL wave function with NO COLLAPSE from Hibbert Space. Instead the entire Universe doubles, perhaps trillions of times - per each individual particle (?) - in a fraction of a second. (Yes, that means each individual rat, eating cheese in China, has many trillions of particles in which each little quark - on a single rat hair - creates trillions of copies of YOU per FRACTION OF A SECOND.) Physicist Donnie Deutch feels that the very early stage of the universe splitting is not yet a complete separation into a totally isolated into its self contained, internally consistent isolation. Interactions are still going on, while Sean Carroll defines the complete split slightly earlier. Quantum Reports | Free Full-Text | Many-Worlds: Why Is It Not the Consensus? Quantum Reports | Special Issue : The Many-Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics MDPI - Publisher of Open Access Journals
quote: The early universe, at 379,000 years old, is clearly "flat". Per CMB. I dont think there is debate on the first 380,000 years. The expansion rate of the universe, per Type 1A SUPERNOVAE observations, never has had exactly identical numbers per observation. My way of saving a flat universe (my excuse) was to consider the tiny percentage of the universe containing galaxies as a type of hypothetical gravity trap which stalls the creation of space, per some unknown physical property of gravity. And the effects of the conglomerated gravity radiate outward (some unknown distance) an manipulate the dark energy (whatever it is exactly) in a way the changed the amount of space created.
quote: What is magic to one generation is science to another. What is a miracle to one generation is part of the known physical laws of the universe to another. Stephen Hawking said something - once controversial - that became part of the lyrics of a 1990s song. He said FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS MAN LIVED WITH THE DINOSAURS. Birds, indeed.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
quote: Dark Energy being understood has just about the same chance of us finding a complete cure to every single type of cancer, a complete cure to hardening arteries, a completely safe & cheap prevention pill for blood clots, and a discovery of a medicine that stalls and then reverses aging. We better hope those quantum computers, we are developing, can tune into & receive signals from a parallel universe that is already millions of years into the future, so we can get all these things downloaded. As for the majority view of particle physics: The biggest question is whether one can solve the two totally different sets of physical laws that divide the quantum world from the classical world. Per Copenhagen, the quantum world has different physical laws than classical physics. But the size barrier is undefined. Many Worlds proponents say the problem is already solved. We are all living in the quantum world. There is no size barrier that divides a classical object from a quantum object. You are a quantum pea. It is all a grand unified quantum physics. (String Theory has its critics, like Bret/Eric Weinstein, and problems abound, granted)
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
quote: One has to know the composition of the universe, the rough age of the universe, and many other physical properties, forces, fields, etc. to even come close to understanding the inflation of the universe and the results of its interactions. Einstein was at even more of a disadvantage than we are in. He lived the vast majority of his life before 1950. He could not help but be wrong, whether he accepted a CC or not.
quote: A Cosmological Constant DID make a comeback - in 1998, and it is not a stretch to say that most cosmologists felt that Dark Energy was proof of the Cosmological Constant, especially when the observations produced results that backed up a completely flat universe at exactly 100% the critical density needed for a 100% flat universe. The 2024 story is that the newer Dark Energy version of the Cosmological Constant had a life that spanned from 1998-2024, then it died. Dark Energy exists but there could be literally 100 different drivers that constitute its total value.(Some sort of constant might make up a certain percentage of its total whole, but good luck sorting that one out) And its total value is not certain, though there is a range.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
The relevant study had to do with what I quoted. The Chilean observatory DES study. Really? I couldn't find anything related to "psychic studies."
The early universe, at 379,000 years old, is clearly "flat". Per CMB. I dont think there is debate on the first 380,000 years. Well, it wasn't the cosmic microwave background when it was emitted. And we are trying to compare observations made here and now on Earth of events that occurred in the distant past.
quote: What is magic to one generation is science to another. What is a miracle to one generation is part of the known physical laws of the universe to another. You seem to be taking us from science to magic and miracles, rather than the other way around. This hasn't made it any clearer what you want to discuss.
The expansion rate of the universe, per Type 1A SUPERNOVAE observations, never has had exactly identical numbers per observation. I think that can be said for any scientific observations. Exactly identical numbers per observation would be a clue that you might have a problem with your equipment or your analysis.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Taq Member Posts: 10295 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4
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LamarkNewAge writes: A Cosmological Constant DID make a comeback - in 1998, and it is not a stretch to say that most cosmologists felt that Dark Energy was proof of the Cosmological Constant From my limited understanding as a physics layperson . . . The accelerating expansion of the universe is the evidence for dark energy. It is no different than watching two masses being attracted to one another and calling it gravity. I don't understand why CC even has to be brought into the conversation because dark energy already encompasses what is being observed.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
quote: I thought is said that was a "hypothetical" study and/or an unreleased study. I started talking about Many Worlds because many have long speculated that Hibbert Space takes the UNIVERSAL UNCOLLAPSING macro-particle (entire universe) conglomeration "ray" to the hypothetical multiverse real-estate. In a flat universe, with both early (first fraction of a second) Inflation, plus (separately) physical laws brought by an infinite local universe expansion (via Dark Energy), there is a place for these ever duplicating macro-particles (our duplicating universe!) to go.
quote: I would consider the question to be the accuracy of the measuring technique and the resolution of the image. Do have any comments on how recent the CMB data brings us to a clear picture, and how clear would you call the picture? On the Type IA Supernovae observations, and the never matching values in the light shift measurements:
quote: CMB and Type IA Supernova observations are clearly different techniques. Both are trying to see what speed the inflation of the universe was moving at and at what time. CMB has a great ability to let us look at the topography an spatial dimensions
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
quote: You seem to be saying there is no practical value to knowing what Dark Energy comes from. I massively disagree, especially if it is relevant to alternate universes. Inflation is 100% relevant to the multiverse ( whether alternate universes exist or not), as all can agree. String Theory is highly relevant to the early cosmic inflation. Dark Energy is also relevant to whether you get crushed like a quantum bug.
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Taq Member Posts: 10295 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4
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LamarkNewAge writes: You seem to be saying there is no practical value to knowing what Dark Energy comes from. No. I am saying that the CC doesn't seem to have any practical value, at least in the eyes of this poorly informed physics layman.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
What is your opinion on the average number value of Dark Energy?
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Taq Member Posts: 10295 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4 |
LamarkNewAge writes: What is your opinion on the average number value of Dark Energy? I don't have an opinion on it. It is my understanding that the value ascribed to dark energy is just a product of how much acceleration is measured in the expansion of space. It's like asking my opinion on the speed of light.
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