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jar
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Message 166 of 181 (919560)
07-15-2024 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by PaulK
07-15-2024 2:54 PM


Re: Learn to read the Bible
Correct, they are believers and would be called Christians today.
The point is it's not what you say or claim, rather did you do as Jesus said, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, heal the sick, shelter the homeless, protect the weak.
That is why if there is a heaven it will be filled with Buddhists and Taoists, and Animist, and Atheists but damn few Christians.
It's a hard sell and much easier to simply sell 'salvation'.

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Message 167 of 181 (919562)
07-15-2024 4:41 PM
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07-15-2024 3:23 PM


Re: Learn to read the Bible
That is why if there is a heaven it will be filled with Buddhists and Taoists, and Animist, and Atheists
Hopefully I would be able to opt out if I found myself in that unlikely situation!

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq

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Message 168 of 181 (919563)
07-15-2024 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by Tanypteryx
07-15-2024 4:41 PM


Re: Learn to read the Bible
Yeah I would opt out of any heaven.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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jar
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Message 169 of 181 (919564)
07-15-2024 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by Tanypteryx
07-15-2024 4:41 PM


Re: Learn to read the Bible
Of course you could opt out but you can still come over for the Low Country Boils, Crab Feasts, Bull Roasts, Beer Fests, Mud Puppies, Red Beans and Rice, Fish Fries, East Carolina BBQ, Texas BBQ, KC Ribs, Fried Green Tomatoes, Water Mellon, Mush Mellon, Cantaloupe, PawPaws (they are really great, when I was little we had a PawPaw patch), Turkish Coffee, Cuban Coffee, Matcha, even Turkish Delight ...
Set a spell and eat your fill and leave when you recover enough to be mobile.
Think of the Loaves & Fishes parable. No preaching, no lectures jess good food.

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Message 170 of 181 (919565)
07-15-2024 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by jar
07-15-2024 5:57 PM


Re: Learn to read the Bible
Some of that food sure sounds great, but heaven would only work for me if I'm with my 4 best friends with our cameras and our nets on a dragonfly stream with specimens that challenge our skills to the max every day!

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq

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Message 171 of 181 (919566)
07-15-2024 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by jar
07-15-2024 3:17 PM


Re: Learn to read the Bible
The sheep are asking when did they ever help Jesus himself, and Jesus answers that when they helped the least that they also helped him.
The goats are saying that they did help Jesus himself, and Jesus answers that because they did not help the least they did not actually help him.
The sheep on the right, the true believers by evidence of their actions in helping the least, are rewarded with heaven. The goats on the left, not true believers by evidence of their actions in not helping the least, are not rewarded with heaven.
--Percy

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jar
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Message 172 of 181 (919572)
07-15-2024 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by Percy
07-15-2024 6:26 PM


Re: Learn to read the Bible
That's the point. But ask Phat if he is a 'True Believer'? Ask USA 1776? Ask Dredge?
The point is that a vast portion of today's Christianity, the Saved and Salvation folk, the MAGA group and their answer will be 'Yes, they ARE the True Believers'.

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Message 173 of 181 (919578)
07-15-2024 9:27 PM
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07-15-2024 7:35 PM


Re: Learn to read the Bible
Are you suggesting that the Church Folk are the equivalent of the modern Pharisees?
Ye shall know them by their fruits.
Drag Queen story hour at the local library does by and large *not* produce good fruit. It simply displays a secular ideology and LGBQT Rights. I would think twice before letting my kid immerse themselves in progressive culture.

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Message 174 of 181 (919579)
07-16-2024 12:47 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by Phat
07-15-2024 9:27 PM


Re: Learn to read the Bible
quote:
Are you suggesting that the Church Folk are the equivalent of the modern Pharisees?

Ye shall know them by their fruits.

Drag Queen story hour at the local library does by and large *not* produce good fruit. It simply displays a secular ideology and LGBQT Rights. I would think twice before letting my kid immerse themselves in progressive culture.
Hello Faith. Still whining that people dare to defy the tyranny of lying bigots? You make the Pharisees look good.

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Percy
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Message 175 of 181 (919583)
07-16-2024 7:31 AM
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07-15-2024 7:35 PM


Re: Learn to read the Bible
Jesus doesn't divide the people of all nations by whether they were followers but by whether they helped the least, who would be rewarded with heaven. Though the passage isn't explicit about it, also helping Jesus, i.e., what you're terming a "true believer," would not have been held against them.
A side note: Contrary to what most evangelicals claim, Matthew 25 says that the peoples of all nations will be judged according to their deeds, not according to whether they accepted Jesus into their hearts as Lord and Master.
--Percy

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Message 176 of 181 (919584)
07-16-2024 7:33 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by Phat
07-15-2024 9:27 PM


Re: Learn to read the Bible
Well we already know you are a homophobic, Christian, white nationalist so this is not surprising.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Percy
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Message 177 of 181 (919585)
07-16-2024 7:33 AM
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07-15-2024 9:27 PM


Re: Learn to read the Bible
Phat writes in Message 173:
Drag Queen story hour at the local library does by and large *not* produce good fruit. It simply displays a secular ideology and LGBQT Rights. I would think twice before letting my kid immerse themselves in progressive culture.
You deserve credit for one thing, not attempting to hide your bigoted attitudes.
--Percy

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jar
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Message 178 of 181 (919588)
07-16-2024 7:59 AM
Reply to: Message 175 by Percy
07-16-2024 7:31 AM


Re: Learn to read the Bible
Correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Message 179 of 181 (919589)
07-16-2024 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 178 by jar
07-16-2024 7:59 AM


Re: Learn to read the Bible
But what I was originally responding to was this in your response to Phat:
jar writes in Message 161:
Why do you keep lying when everyone can actually read Matthew 25 and see that it was the followers of Jesus that were the goats while it was the folk not following Jesus that were the sheep.
In Matthew 25 Jesus doesn't divide people into followers and non-followers in the way of modern evangelicals. He addresses the people of all nations, regardless of whether they knew him or not, and divides them into those who will be rewarded with heaven and those who will not based upon the way they lived their lives.
I think the message to Phat and candle2 and Dredge and so forth should be that their posts indicate that they may not be living their lives in a way that would be rewarded with heaven. The lack of compassion for the least (migrants at the border for just one example) seems proof positive of that.
--Percy

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jar
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Message 180 of 181 (919590)
07-16-2024 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 179 by Percy
07-16-2024 8:58 AM


Re: Learn to read the Bible
The first group are surprised because they know they never did anything for Jesus.
The second group are surprised because they know they did things for Jesus, they even say when did we NOT do things for Jesus. They would be his followers but did not follow his call to serve others..

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