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Message 1 of 89 (920365)
10-03-2024 1:49 PM


What I want to know is why the Democratic party came to the conclusion that President Biden was cognitively impaired and should step down as the candidate but, leave him still in office.
Right now the the ports shut down in the US economy is in peril. Internationally between Ukraine and the Middle East the world is as close to a nuclear war as we have ever been. It has been a long time since the US has needed such strong leadership IMHO.
Why is a President with dementia still in office? If he left office VP Harris would become president unless I have a misunderstanding of your political system.
Put it wherever you like.

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Message 3 of 89 (920367)
10-03-2024 2:30 PM
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Biden will remain president thought the remainder of his term in office unless he resigns or is impeached by the House and convicted by the Senate. There's another possible path whereby his cabinet finds he's unfit, but this path is untested.
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Message 4 of 89 (920368)
10-03-2024 2:57 PM
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10-03-2024 2:30 PM


Why then don't these politicians put on their big boy pants and get it done. The US is in crisis between the flood crisis and the ports being shut down, and the world is in crisis in the Middle east and the Ukraine and the rest of the world is likely to get drawn into this as well.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

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Message 5 of 89 (920369)
10-03-2024 3:03 PM
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10-03-2024 2:57 PM


Actually, as a total outsider, I trust Biden's judgement when he's not having to talk in public and react in real time. We used to call that 'wise'.

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Message 6 of 89 (920370)
10-03-2024 3:05 PM
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10-03-2024 2:57 PM


Are you sure you’re not Marc? You’re sounding a lot like him.
There doesn’t seem to be anything wrong with Biden’s leadership. He wasn’t campaigning well, but that seems to be about it. If he’s suffering from dementia - and I’d need rather more than your say-so for that - it’s early stages. I don’t see anyone else doing much better.

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Message 7 of 89 (920372)
10-03-2024 3:39 PM
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10-03-2024 2:57 PM


GDR writes:
Why then don't these politicians put on their big boy pants and get it done.
Because you think Biden's "cognitively impaired"? To me, though he seems to have much lower energy than four years ago, his thinking seems fine.
The US is in crisis between the flood crisis...
Clearly you feel Biden is handling this crisis poorly, but where are you getting your information from? I know Trump is claiming that not even the governor of Georgia can get Biden on the phone, but the actual governor himself says he's spoken to Biden several times. You wouldn't be listening to Trump, would you?
...and the ports being shut down,...
Yes, we know, the strike has been going on a whole three days now. Biden says he won't intervene and that the strike should be settled by collective bargaining. Biden administration officials had been meeting with union leaders and urging them to negotiate right up until the strike began. What do you think Biden should be doing?
...and the world is in crisis in the Middle east and the Ukraine and the rest of the world is likely to get drawn into this as well.
I disagree with Biden's handling on both Israel and Ukraine. He's given Netanyahu way too much leash and Ukraine not nearly enough. But it makes no sense to push for the removal of a president simply because you disagree with his policies.
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Message 8 of 89 (920373)
10-03-2024 4:16 PM
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10-03-2024 3:39 PM


I'm not commenting on how well he is handling any of these issues, You may argue this, but Pelosi and company one way or another got him to pull his candidacy. If he wasn't fit to be a candidate, what makes him fit to be president now, particularly with all that is going on?

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

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Message 9 of 89 (920374)
10-03-2024 4:39 PM
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quote:
I'm not commenting on how well he is handling any of these issues,
If he’s handling them acceptably well then he is fit to be President. That should be obvious. It’s not like Trump and Covid.
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You may argue this, but Pelosi and company one way or another got him to pull his candidacy. If he wasn't fit to be a candidate, what makes him fit to be president now, particularly with all that is going on?
First, if Biden was a candidate he’d still be President as well. Even if he couldn’t handle the combined workload that doesn’t mean that he can’t handle the workload of the Presidency without the campaigning as well.
Second we don’t know that he actually was that unfit. He performed poorly in the debate and the media were pushing the line that he was unfit - those could be enough even if he was up to the job.

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Message 10 of 89 (920375)
10-03-2024 4:48 PM
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10-03-2024 4:39 PM


You're missing the point. Obviously the Democratic hierarchy believed that Harris was a better option to govern for the next 4 years. Based on that wouldn't she be a better person to be doing the job now?

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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Message 11 of 89 (920376)
10-03-2024 4:55 PM
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GDR writes in Message 10:
Obviously the Democratic hierarchy believed that Harris was a better option to govern for the next 4 years.
What's obvious to you is not at all obvious to me.
Yes, some leading Democrats came to the conclusion that Harris would be a better candidate. That is not at all the same as conclude she would be a better option to govern. As I understand it, they were concerned about down-ticket races more than about Biden's cognitive abilities.

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Message 12 of 89 (920377)
10-03-2024 5:08 PM
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quote:
You're missing the pointI
No. Disagreeing with an obviously dubious point is not the same as “not getting it”.
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Obviously the Democratic hierarchy believed that Harris was a better option to govern for the next 4 years.
No. It’s not at all obvious that they were thinking anything beyond who has the best chance of winning the election - and Harris seems to be a more popular candidate. Even if they felt that Biden couldn’t manage another four years that doesn’t mean he’s unfit to see out his term - especially without the extra stress and work of campaigning.
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Based on that wouldn't she be a better person to be doing the job now?
No, it doesn’t follow. Aside from the fact that she does have the workload and stress of the campaign - and the fact that you can’t find anything wrong with Biden’s performance - it might well be better to ease her into the role rather than just pushing her straight into it.

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Message 13 of 89 (920378)
10-03-2024 6:34 PM
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10-03-2024 1:49 PM


Because we are a Democracy and follow the rule of law.
No one of importance concluded he is cognitively impaired. Do you have evidence of this? Or did you make this up?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Message 14 of 89 (920379)
10-03-2024 7:01 PM
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Striking port workers to return to work Friday as negotiators reach an agreement on wages
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Striking members of the International Longshoremen’s Association will be back to work at the ports on Friday, the union announced Thursday evening, as the union and the management group representing shipping lines, terminal operators and port authorities have reached a tentative deal on wages.
The union agreed to extend the contract it had with the United States Maritime Alliance, the management group known as USMX that represents shipping lines, terminal operators and port authorities. That deal, which had expired at the end of Monday, will be now extended until January 15 and have the union members back on the job while the final details are worked out in a full agreement and it is ratified by the rank-and-file.
The 50,000 members of the union working at ports from Maine to Texas have been on strike since early Tuesday morning, halting the flow of the majority of containerized imports into the United States, along with many of the exports, disrupting the sales of American businesses overseas.

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Message 15 of 89 (920381)
10-03-2024 7:50 PM
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If he wasn't fit to be a candidate
citation needed. You're confusing "Able to beat trump" with "fit to be a candidate"

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