Why is Biden still the President

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Same old name calling and labelling. Tell me, where have I been arrogant?

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All through this thread. The first post angrily asked why the Democratic establishment were not acting on the beliefs you assigned them without considering the very reasonable possibility that they did not hold those beliefs. A possibility you continued to reject even when reasonable alternatives were offered - and which you completely ignored, and now you are calling justified criticism “name calling”

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I asked a question and then you make assumptions. If Biden stepped down then Harris would be president.

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First, you made an angry attack on the Democratic establishment, based on a premise that is at best questionable. An attack you repeated in your second post to the thread.Second, I’d like to know which of my replies in this thread made assumptions that you find questionable - or are contradicted by the fact that Harris would be the successor. I think you will find that there are none.

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The question I asked has been asked by many. Here is a column on the left leaning network CNN.

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Even the “left-leaning” media seems to display some bias in favour of Trump these days. But as Percy points out it does not at all ask the same question. This is the question you asked: Message 1
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Can you find anywhere asking THAT question?

Read my signatures.If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?

Hi Greg. Perhaps the question is whether humans can progress quicker than they destroy themselves

Hello GDR, as others have said, Biden has recently been considered unelectable, but they didn't pinpoint exactly when that determination was made, and I can do that for you.It happened the minute the first (CNN) presidential debate concluded. Presidential debates have a significant resemblance to the yearly Super Bowl every February. They are both BIG audience draws, they are both hyped, both of them huge revenue generators for broadcast media. And most significantly, they both get viewers that are not normally interested in their subjects, football or politics. Both of them generate talk and analyzation for days or weeks afterward, and even those not very interested in them don't want to be completely in the dark about what went on.Millions of normal people across the U.S. live similar lives, Parents go to work, kids go to school, and evenings consist of some family time, a family meal, and...turning on the television to local news of ABC, CBS, or NBC to get the local traffic situations, local events, and the weather. Then they leave the television on while the national half hour news shows come on, some, amazingly, still think those shows actually give a summarization of national and international news, rather then the entertainment shows for the Democrat party that they actually are. Those people got quite the shock when the CNN moderators actually let Trump speak, rather than cherry picking a phrase of his here and there, taking it out of context, and screaming "LIAR LIAR LIAR" as the mainstream usually does. They saw Trump actually call attention to the serious problems the U.S. faces, and Bidens inability to address them. Biden has been falling down, having to be helped off of stages that he's lost on, shaking hands with air, and mumbling incoherently for his entire presidency, nothing has really changed about him.Behind Democrat closed doors days after that debate, I'd bet the acoustics of those walls took a beating. How could those CNN moderators let that happen? The moderators of the upcoming ABC debate were undoubtedly informed that they'd better not let that happen again! They came through with flying colors, the ABC debate was 3 on one, anyone could see that, as was the later CBS vice presidential debate. "WE HAVE A LOT TO GET TO!!! How many times did they cut Vance off, a half dozen?Why didn't Harris the Giggler take over the presidency immediately? She wasn't properly groomed yet. Only 6 months, maybe a year, maybe a year and a half ago, there were actually a few Democrat strategists that were speculating about the possibility of Biden losing the Giggler and getting a new running mate that actually had half a brain, one that didn't grow up with a Marxist father. She wasn't in the news much during her vice presidency, she did nothing on the border that she was designated to control, one of the most notable things about her vice presidency was her inability to get along with her staffers.But days after the CNN debate, the mainstream media had its instructions, "MAKE HER A SUPERSTAR!! Help Jack Smith hammer on Trump in any way you can, bring up JANUARY 6th!! a lot. Get her some name recognition, screw RFK, screw Gavin Newsom, screw anyone else who want to challenge her, she's the designee, screw the democratic process. And that's where we are.I don't think she's going to lose, with the entire mainstream media, the DOJ, and countless other corrupt special interests on her side. But there is one ray of hope, there are a lot of swing voters who don't have Trump Derangement Syndrome, who formerly leaned towards Biden or Harris, but who don't appreciate the increasingly obvious election interference by government agencies, against Trump. So we'll see what happens. Democrats don't seem to have much concern who is the president, as long as it's not Trump! I don't think they're very happy with the Giggler - it shows in their anger here. Democrats had so many other choices, and Tim Walz sure is one of them. He comes across as a likeable guy, unlike most arrogant Democrat politicians. I don't agree with his policies of course, but was very impressed with his debate performance, even though he had two helpers.They're going to be very angry with me now, as they show their respect for the free speech clause of the First Amendment. "WHY THE F*^$ DON'T YOU GET OUT OF HERE, YOU MOTHER &$)($#& SON OF A GIRL DOG *((^$@^062 WHITE BOY *%#()!!! DID YOU LIE WHEN YOU SAID YOU WERE LEAVING HERE 6 MONTHS OR SO AGO?? Actually I didn't lie at all, all I said was that I was done with those with TDS, and I still am.

I have a detached garage, with a spring loaded door, no hydraulic closer. It hits me in the ass all the time, it's really no big deal! It doesn't hurt at all, and I'm not even a fat guy!!

I don't know whether Biden is cognitively impaired or not which is the same for all of us. I gather that he won't get a current test for it. However, when has a healthy sitting president ever withdrawn from a campaign prior to election date previously and particularly when there is insufficient time to go through the normal process of selecting a new candidate?To deny that Biden's mental acuity wasn't an issue lacks any credibility. Here is a democratic leaning NBC report prior to Biden's withdrawal.
https://www.nbcnews.com/...ental-fitness-triggers-rcna137975So I do agree that the party thought they would do better with Harris but articles like this indicate that the reason that Harris would do better is that Biden's mental state was under question even in the Democratic party. I'm not sure what you are getting at here. I'm simply pointing out that if Biden steps down Harris is the President. I don't know, but I would guess that if anything it would improve her chances of winning the election and you wouldn't have a president who is mentally impaired. (Yes, that is on the assumption that he is but I 'm confident that the majority of Americans feel that way. It was a big question mark when Biden was still the candidate but nobody much seems to worry about it much now with all that is going on in the country and in the world right now/ Prior to him stepping down that were many in the Democratic party that questioned his mental fitness as evidenced in thew link above and that link isn't an outlier. So, the question still stands.

Obviously the Democratic party, like any political party is not one voice. We can see where a number of democrats questioned it prior to him stepping down but not anymore. We can all form our own opinion about whether that was a majority belief or not. I have been here long enough to know how common that is. Many times I, or others, have posted either a belief or an opinion and have been labelled a liar as opposed to just calling us wrong. Go back and look at the posts. Even the post trying to defend an earlier post called me arrogant but failed to give an example.I, tried to post the question in such a way as to try and be as non-partisan as I could without suggesting whether Trump or Harris is the better choice in the election. If there are questions raised about the mental decline of a sitting US President don't you think that it should be verified one way or the other?

That was about Robert Hur's report on Biden. That report was completely improper. It pretty much fits the text book definition of an ad hominem. Hur did not find any reason to charge Biden, so instead he attacked the person. As an attorney, Hur should have known better. The very wording of the question already came across as biased.

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I don't know whether Biden is cognitively impaired or not which is the same for all of us. I gather that he won't get a current test for it. However, when has a healthy sitting president ever withdrawn from a campaign prior to election date previously and particularly when there is insufficient time to go through the normal process of selecting a new candidate?

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Once again you ignore the obvious fact that Biden’s campaign was going very poorly and in ways that seemed hard to fix - such as the attacks from the media. That in itself is sufficient explanation.

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To deny that Biden's mental acuity wasn't an issue lacks any credibility. Here is a democratic leaning NBC report prior to Biden's withdrawal.
https://www.nbcnews.com/...ental-fitness-triggers-rcna137975
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So I do agree that the party thought they would do better with Harris but articles like this indicate that the reason that Harris would do better is that Biden's mental state was under question even in the Democratic party.

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It really doesn’t. It does more to show that Biden’s campaign was in serious trouble.

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I'm not sure what you are getting at here. I'm simply pointing out that if Biden steps down Harris is the President. I

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If find it very hard that you are unsure what I am getting it. You claimed that I “made assumptions” and implied that those assumptions were somehow contradicted by the fact that if Biden went Harris would be President. I quoted that in my post so you have no excuse for not knowing. Here it is again: I think that this obvious evasion is exactly what it looks like - another attempt to cover up the fact that you made a false claim.

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Prior to him stepping down that were many in the Democratic party that questioned his mental fitness as evidenced in thew link above and that link isn't an outlier. So, the question still stands.

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Aside from attributing your words to me I note that this is another evasion. I asked you to show that other people were asking the same question you asked - the one quoted. Apparently you can’t find any. Maybe you should have the honesty to admit that. Maybe you should act like someone who believes his .sig instead of spitting on it.

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Obviously the Democratic party, like any political party is not one voice. We can see where a number of democrats questioned it prior to him stepping down but not anymore. We can all form our own opinion about whether that was a majority belief or not.

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Nevertheless you have claimed that the Democratic Percy establishment views Biden as unfit to be President - as a matter of fact - not mere opinion.

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I have been here long enough to know how common that is. Many times I, or others, have posted either a belief or an opinion and have been labelled a liar as opposed to just calling us wrong.

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Has it happened often in this thread? Real examples please.

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Go back and look at the posts. Even the post trying to defend an earlier post called me arrogant but failed to give an example.

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Well that’s not true, is it? Message 31

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I, tried to post the question in such a way as to try and be as non-partisan as I could without suggesting whether Trump or Harris is the better choice in the election.

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The best I can say is that - if you really tried to be non-partisan - you were defeated in that objective by your own arrogance. Your post came across as a nasty smear on the Democratic Party. Because it is.

There was never a big push to unseat Biden due to impaired cognition (i.e. the 25th Amendment). Biden was "encouraged" to leave the ticket because his polling sucked and it didn't look like he was going to beat Trump.I will agree that Biden has gone downhill since he took office, but he seems competent enough to me, and he seems to have convinced those in his cabinet and others close to the President.At the same time, it is completely false to claim that Democrats took Biden off the ticket because he is cognitively impaired. That's not the reason.

That's not how you began this thread. Here is sentence 1 of Message 1, your post that began this thread where you said the "Democratic party" (not some members of the Democratic party, as you later tried to claim you said, but the actual Democratic party) had concluded that Biden was cognitively impaired and should step down, yet they let him stay in office despite this: You've since been trying to morph this into something different, a mere concern and a desire for cognitive testing. Had you actually begun that way I would have replied differently.But you didn't, so I couldn't, and I've found your subsequent dissembling and recasting objectionable. I haven't memorized the thread, so when did it morph from an assertion of cognitive impairment to one of a decline in mental acuity, and how are you defining mental acuity anyway. If you mean it in terms of the ability to think clearly and accurately then I think Biden is fine. If you mean it in terms of mental alacrity and rapid and accurate recall of facts then I think Biden's mental acuity has declined while president. Does Biden seem able to successfully carry out the duties of his office for another three or four months, especially now that he's unburdened with having to campaign? I think that's the question you should have begun with. Is "mental fitness" a synonym for "cognitive impairment" now?--Percy

Relevance? The Hur report. Robert Hur has been shown to be a partisan hack. Do you have anything unbiased? Who?

Who? Provide sources.

Oh, is that what you meant when you said, "The Democratic party came to the conclusion that President Biden was cognitively impaired," in Message 1. However did I misinterpret that. I'm sorry you've had such a bad experience here, but I'd be surprised if you didn't have the same experience everywhere after your performance in the Choosing a faith thread. Are you referring to your opening question in Message 1 again? As I said before, it was an "Are you still beating your wife?" style question. In politics questions are raised about everything all the time, often with political motivations, so generalize your question: If there are questions raised about something or someone in government, don't you think it should be verified one way or the other.For example, questions have been raised about whether Trump is a racist, misogynist autocrat with delusions of dictatorship and a list of grievances who would end democracy as we know it. Don't you think it should be verified one way or the other?And isn't that a far more important question than whether Biden should serve out the last three or four months of his term?--Percy