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AZPaul3
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Message 11 of 305 (920669)
11-07-2024 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Tangle
11-07-2024 9:38 AM


The Emperor Has Clothes
My understanding is that Trump v. United States (2024) confers immunity to the presidency against any such investigations, charges or Federal Court actions.
Trump v. United States | 603 U.S. ___ (2024) | Justia U.S. Supreme Court Center
Already the federal prosecutors are closing up shop from Jack Smith to the Florida documents cases.
Special counsel Jack Smith expected to wind down Trump prosecutions: Sources - ABC News
What are left are the state cases and the Hush Money case. Even these may soon fall under the SCOTUS Immunity ruling.
Oct. 15, 2024
Trump, in a filing, again asks the U.S. Second Circuit Court of Appeals to transfer his New York criminal hush money case to federal court in an effort to stall his Nov. 26 sentencing or throw out his conviction altogether.
Timeline: Manhattan DA's Stormy Daniels hush money case against Donald Trump - ABC News
Right now, I don't think any jurisdiction can touch him.
No. He is not going to jail.

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-Daniel Dennett
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Message 20 of 305 (920690)
11-08-2024 11:33 PM


Another Step Back
This is a nation of laws, even for those who seem to relish in breaking them because they’re financially and politically able to get away with (most of) it. We have little choice but to do as the law intended.
There not having been any great controversy in election proceedings (despite Trump and company still insisting there is (undefined unevidnced) fraud) this election can be seen to be as close to free fair and open as a modern society can make a national poll.
Which means Trump won and we live a very sick society.
Enlightenment v 2.0 is not progressing as many of us had expected, hoped. We are still an openly violent and stupid species and when left to our own freedoms we still love us the strong man to make war and strike at our enemies. We still feel that background rage of a savage animal in a savage world and we still fear and loathe all that we cannot count as Us.
The pendulum has swung in what many of us consider to be away from the humanist progress we once saw on the distant horizon; our utopian fantasies of what a free and prosperous society could achieve. Such swings toward greed are not sudden (Reagan) and last right up to the present … and generations beyond. At this point the hate/fear/greed appears to control a major share of our population. The enlightenment is still many decades of hard struggle away.
Apologies to you young ones. We tried. We failed. Maybe, if there is enough left, your kids and grandkids can put us back on track. Until then we have to survive the rise of the animal, again.

“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,”
-Daniel Dennett
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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AZPaul3
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Message 29 of 305 (920701)
11-09-2024 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Minnemooseus
11-09-2024 8:24 PM


Re: The First Target of Retribution: Jack Smith
And I hope they find the hidden entrance to the evil Illiteratii libraries and we finally learn who really is in charge of this place. I'm leaning toward the Reptilians.

“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,”
-Daniel Dennett
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 52 of 305 (920754)
11-14-2024 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Percy
11-14-2024 9:41 AM


Re: It's Going to be a Wild Ride
I thought his choices the first time were concerning. Now four years later his choices have devolved into friggin scary. But, this is what the people voted for. This is what our society produced from our election and no one is claiming any major (or even minor) fraud.
The talking heads, the analysts, psychologists, historians, pundits all, have their reasoning for what trickery, what undue influences, what bigotry led to this outcome. The one thing to keep in mind is that this is what our system, by law, produced.
We can do better.
We are well past this constitution's "use by" date. The problem is the Republican minority controls the process of governance and that includes both the amendment and national convention processes. They, of course, would hijack the processes to enshrine their agenda, including their religious and sexual demands, into any new proposed constitution. We need to wait for the social pendulum to swing back the humanist way before we attempt such a task.
Maybe the deep state will help keep damage to a minimum. Maybe the republican old guard can keep a lid on the Pandora's box of individual freedom. I hope so.

“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,”
-Daniel Dennett
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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AZPaul3
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Message 53 of 305 (920755)
11-14-2024 8:26 PM
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11-14-2024 6:56 PM


Re: It's Going to be a Wild Ride
Maybe you could take them somewhere they'd be welcome, like Truth Social.
Or here, maybe. He can express his prejudices right here ... where we can throw rotten tomatoes and mud balls at him. We do need the entertainment.

“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,”
-Daniel Dennett
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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AZPaul3
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Message 61 of 305 (920764)
11-15-2024 5:06 PM
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11-15-2024 7:03 AM


Re: It's Going to be a Wild Ride
Maybe a Trump supporter can tell us whether this approach to governance is what they actually thought they were voting for.
I'm thinking if they could think that deeply they wouldn't have voted for Trump in the first place. Trump can do no wrong and that is where the thinking seems to stop.

“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,”
-Daniel Dennett
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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AZPaul3
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Message 78 of 305 (920799)
11-19-2024 6:46 PM


Mehmet Oz?
What is this, the pop culture presidency?

“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,”
-Daniel Dennett
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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AZPaul3
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Message 80 of 305 (920801)
11-19-2024 11:04 PM
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11-19-2024 9:37 PM


Re: The Wizard Of Oz
And now the clowns are running the circus while the chief law enforcement officer dodges arrows after a career as an open, rather careless and arrogant, pedophile.
Such class and wisdom Trump brings to our diminished stature in the eyes of a very dangerous world. Only the best people indeed.

“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,”
-Daniel Dennett
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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AZPaul3
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Message 130 of 305 (921085)
12-24-2024 2:24 PM


Trump Xmas

“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,”
-Daniel Dennett
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

  
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