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Message 111 of 441 (921058)
12-22-2024 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by K.Rose
12-21-2024 8:05 PM


Re: Trump Has An Idea
Hi Perry - I am optimistic about the next Trump administration.
Agreed, but he's going to have quite the challenge with the mainstream media's twists and distortions about what he's doing for the next four years, and beyond. As you probably know, ABC News just had to pony up $15 million for former Democrat advisor George Stephanopoulos lies about Trump's "rape convictions". Ever notice how any mainstream media reference is ALWAYS "former Fox anchor Pete Hegseth", while NEVER referring to Stephanopoulos as "former Democrat advisor George Stephanopoulos"? That and several other types of distortions are things that they can't be sued for, including the big one, their omissions of news. ABC was required to publicly acknowledge their loss in this suit. I've never seen it, and I watch ABC World News Tonight most evenings. Maybe they sneaked it in on a Saturday evening for about 5 seconds, when many local stations cover up that news broadcast with college football games, I don't know. But one thing's for sure, far fewer people know about that ABC suit than know about the Fox News suit from 4 years ago, that one was trumpeted all over the mainstream news.
You probably also know about the Biden administrations recent attempts to sell off / scrap yet unused border wall panels so Trump would have to buy all new ones at taxpayer expense. Snopes does an impressive dance on how Biden is forced to do this by law, but the controversy is there, and I've seen not a word on ABC news.
Biden Selling Off Parts of Border Wall? Here's What We Know | Snopes.com
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Not only was the move legal, it was required by legislation introduced by a Republican lawmaker and enacted in December 2023. For this reason, we rated the claim as mixture of true and false.
If it was a mixture of true and false, why wouldn't the mainstream media cover it? A LOT of reports that were a "mixture of true and false" that could be damaging to Trump, have always been and will continue to be trumpeted throughout the mainstream media.
quote:
In selling the leftover parts of the southern border wall, the Biden administration was complying with legislation introduced by Rep. Mike Rogers, a Republican from Alabama, and signed into law Dec. 22, 2023.
And I wonder who signed it into law? I'm one of the few who wonders, most people don't know a thing about it. The media can't be sued for news cover ups.
One of the big Democrat talking points today is "president Elon Musk", some sly references to that effect even by the mainstream media. Wonder why they never referred to president George Soros? True that Soros wasn't designated for any certain position like Musk is, but that doesn't make any difference, the way money flows / flowed from Musk and Soros is comparable. Mainstream media viewers aren't inspired to think of that.
Only a couple of examples of how the mainstream media distorts, a place where a large percentage of Americans get their news. Naturally mistrust of the mainstream media continues to rise, but IMO it's not rising fast enough. Maybe the Trump administration can call more and more attention to it - not to recent cable newcomers like Fox News, MSNBC, or CNN, but by the public-trust networks that have been around for over half a century, and have a responsibility to the public. Maybe Trump's new press secretary Karoline Leavitt can call some attention to it, but of course much of what she might say about it will be COVERED UP.
I wonder, do you have any such criticism for Biden, Biden's handlers, or Harris? Or are you OK with their performance, no complaints, on the whole?
There is a teeny tiny bit of difference in his criticisms of Trump versus his criticisms of Biden, or the Giggler.
An objective observer would conclude that Trump's adversaries don't have any real argument against his policies, indeed, they just don't like him and wish to see him fail.
Of course they don't. The scary part is, most of them want to see him fail at the expense of the well being of the U.S. A symptom of TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome.

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marc9000
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Message 141 of 441 (921099)
12-26-2024 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by K.Rose
12-23-2024 9:35 PM


Re: Jan 6 the day of infamy
Not only is there no case, formal charges would force discovery of all evidence, evidence that heretofore has not been presented, evidence that might tell a much different story, evidence that might impugn those who were all but certain they had evaded accountability.
Yes, formal charges would have exposed the lack of security, and those responsible for it. (Nancy Pelosi). And the fact that the few policemen that were there invited some of the first ones to arrive inside. Also would have been a much more thorough investigation on the murder of Ashley Babbitt.
Trump will pardon some, possibly not all, of the rioters from January 6th. The mainstream media will be all over it of course, much more than they have been about Biden's lie about not pardoning his son, or about his recent commuting of most federal death row inmates death sentences.

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marc9000
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Message 143 of 441 (921101)
12-26-2024 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by K.Rose
12-23-2024 9:43 PM


Re: Trump Has An Idea
I'm still optimistic given all the expected flak and roadblocks. Trump is much wiser, more prepared, and, yes, more introspective this time around.
It's an interesting turn-around, he's generally more popular now than he was throughout his first term, and after all the fireworks after January 6th 2021. The reason for that is because the public has now had a chance to compare his first term presidency with that of Biden's. But he's now more intensely hated than ever by somewhere around 38% of the population, those with TDS. This includes most of the mainstream media anchors. While those haters refer to their opinions on how terrible Trump was in handling the Covid crisis, the public knows that a Democrat administration wouldn't have done any better.
I'm sure you've heard about this;
https://www.cnn.com/...at-we-know-subway-fire-hnk/index.html
Viewers of the half hour evening news reports haven't, no reports. The woman as yet hasn't been identified, understandable, since she was pretty much burned beyond recognition, including any identification she might have had. The mainstream media treats this case much differently than they did the George Floyd case. She wasn't resisting arrest, there was no suspicion of drug use, but policemen versus illegals get accused differently by the news media. That's their biggest cover-up, most any mention of the heinous crimes that some illegals commit. But they'll pour on the sensationalism when the Trump administration starts the deporting process. There'll be plenty of pics and vids of tear stained faces of illegals as they're being deported.
I trust Trump and Homan will do it right, they should be careful with too many deportations - it's not possible to perfectly correct all that Biden has screwed up. They just need to deport known criminals, and they're going to have to let a lot of illegals who don't seem to be a threat alone. A lot of them are good workers, and the news media will pounce if anyone other than a known criminal is deported. The most important thing is to SEAL THE BORDER. The illegal that set the woman on fire was deported during Trump's first administration, then came back in during the Biden administration. That has to stop, once deported, they have to stay gone.
He has a knack for staying one step ahead of the opposition, diffusing the vicious barbs they throw at him, and coming out on top no matter how convinced they are that "this time we got 'im". Witness all the lawfare failures.
It's so funny to see his haters claim HE'S out for revenge! The recipient of the Mar-a-Lago raid, the attacks of Fani Willis, Jack Smith, Alvin Bragg, and others over the past 4 years. The constant hauling him into court, Colorado and other states trying to get him off the ballot, it has gone on and on for the past 4 years. And they accuse HIM of revenge! The public is less against him now than in the past, and they see through a lot of it.
To quote Flounder: "..this is gonna be great!".
We'll see, his haters have a lot of new ideas. But it should be pretty transparent - as I said, they're only out to get him, the well being of the country doesn't matter near as much to them.

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Message 150 of 441 (921114)
12-29-2024 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by Percy
12-27-2024 10:43 AM


Re: Jan 6 the day of infamy
marc9000 writes:
Yes, formal charges would have exposed the lack of security, and those responsible for it. (Nancy Pelosi).

This is a PRATT that has been rebutted so widely and often and is so obviously untrue that anyone repeating it now is just lying. The Speaker of the House is not responsible for security. Nancy Pelosi was no more responsible for security on January 6th then Mike Johnson is now.
Very good, you addressed two words out of the 17 that I wrote. SOMEBODY was responsible for the lack of security, and I doubt if it was Trump.
​Any police who helped or assisted January 6th rioters were investigated for it: Capitol Police Suspends 6 Officers, Investigates Dozens More After Capitol Riots : Capitol Insurrection Updates : NPR. Invading the capitol broke the law, and anyone assisting those who invaded the capitol broke the law, including police.
Unless the police were black, and murdered a white woman.
It's on video. After the window of the door to the House Speaker's Lobby was broken, through which Congressmen could be seen, Ashli Babbitt went through and was killed.
Right. She wasn't resisting arrest. She wasn't a big strong man with a threatening physical presence. She was a U.S. service veteran. No evidence that she was on drugs. LOTS of differences between her and George Floyd. Which of the two got more media sensationalism time?
Yes, the mainstream media reported these events, as they will undoubtedly report on Trump pardons.
But there will be a huge difference in the amount of time and sensationalism spent on Trump events, versus the quick passing reports on Biden events and lies.
But you're comparing apples and oranges. Hunter Biden was pursued relentlessly not because of what he did but because of who he was,
And Trump wasn't pursued relentlessly because of who HE was?? The guy whose 2016 win was the biggest embarrassment to the mocking Democrat party that they've ever received? No difference between the apple and the orange man.
and most of it was based on the lies of FBI informant Alexander Smirnov, who pleaded guilty early this month to lying about a phony bribery scheme involving Joe and Hunter Biden.
There are still a lot of questions about the schemes of Joe and Hunter Biden. Joe's claims of not knowing a thing in this world about his son's business dealings aren't getting any easier to believe, since recently released pictures of Joe and others have come to light. Only Fox News reports that, not the mainstream media.
The death row inmates weren't pardoned but only had their sentences commuted to life in prison.
Yes with no possibility of parole. That's about as believable as Biden's claims that he wouldn't pardon his son. If they do get paroled, it will be covered up of course.
]In contrast, any Trump pardons will free the insurrectionists who committed felonies against the government of the United States at the behest of then president Donald Trump.
Their "crimes" don't even compare to the heinous crimes that Biden's death-row-forgiven inmates committed.

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marc9000
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Message 151 of 441 (921115)
12-29-2024 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Percy
12-27-2024 3:46 PM


Re: Trump Has An Idea
By fireworks, do you mean attacking our democratic institutions and even his own vice-president?
No, I meant the news media frenzy, most of it after Trump already voluntarily left the White House. Trump is the first president in my lifetime, probably in the entire history of the U.S., to continue to be all over the news after becoming a former president. Obama, Bush 43, Bush 41, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, with the possible exception of Nixon, were all OUT of mainstream media attention shortly after leaving office. The 2016 election was still burning, as it still is today.
I think everyone's on board with deporting illegal immigrants who commit crimes, but that's not what Trump and and border adviser Homan are saying.
That's EXACTLY what they're saying. I've WATCHED Homan speak on Fox News, undoubtedly more than you have. If the mainstream media is reporting some other things they're saying, it doesn't mean they won't make it a first priority to deport illegal criminals.
While Trump has whipped up hysteria about illegal immigrants bringing a wave of crime,
Trump's not the only one whipping up hysteria about heinous illegal crimes, Fox News is guilty of that too, by reporting FACTS.
statistics show that illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than the general population. If Trump wants to reduce crime he should let in more immigrants, not less.
So U.S. citizens arbitrarily set others on fire for fun more than illegal immigrants? More U.S. citizens are caught driving without licenses than illegals? More U.S. citizens have a language barrier that prevents them from reading road signs? Statistics that only lump all "crimes" in one category just could be a little misleading. "Let in more illegals to reduce crime", can't respond to that one.
Any large group of people, like illegal immigrants, will be very similar in these types of qualities to any other large group of people, like American citizens. They'll all fit under similar bell shaped curves for qualities like intelligence, integrity, and so forth.
Not when they don't know the language. Not when they have no education or experience with U.S. liberty and morals - they know nothing about those things when they come from a communist or dictatorship country with brutal leaders. All they know is brutality. They know less about the U.S. than even the dumbest atheist who only watches ABC news to get their information.
I don't think you really want to seal the border. I think what you really want is to reduce the number of people crossing the border illegally, and I think we all want that. But echoing K.Rose's call for good will toward men, I want those who do cross the border illegally to be treated fairly and humanely, and I want requests for amnesty honored and heard fairly in a timely fashion.
The U.S. is $36 trillion in debt. If it doesn't start watching its step now with costly compassion for illegals, any compassion for the next one or two future generations won't exist. The next economic crash could very well be the most catastrophic that the world has ever seen, by far.
How do you propose guaranteeing that never happens? Getting across any border is a crap shoot. A certain percentage will always get across. Who makes it and who doesn't is serendipitous. No border is 100% impervious.
Isn't it common sense to do the best we can? There's nobody more suited for the job than Tom Homan.
K.Rose keeps mentioning transparency, what I called "think it/say it", and Trump has been very clear about his desire for revenge. For just one recent example, he spoke publicly about going after Liz Cheney for her participation on the January 6th committee. That's very transparent, and denials that Trump is seeking vengeance aren't consistent with what he says.
There's a lot of difference in saying versus actually doing. The slightest little thing he says about vengeance is sensationalized by the news media far more than reports on the vengeance the Biden administration has actually done. Trump has also said a lot about tariffs, but that's just a negotiating tool, it really gets the attention of foreign leaders who have been taking advantage of the U.S. during the Biden administration. Best to wait and see what he actually does concerning tariffs and vengeance before criticizing him for it. That's what most of the public will do.
Didn't he do what he's accused of doing?
Didn't Hunter Biden do what he's accused of doing? There is a difference, Trump is a former president.
Jack Smith is winding down his federal cases because they can't go forward against a sitting president, but Bragg won a conviction on 34 counts, and the Georgia election interference case will go forward, but without Willis.
All that he has been accused of doing has not one thing to do with how he can do his job as president. That's where the concern should be. Most past presidents have a few skeletons in their closets. There used to be a little respect for past presidents, Bill Clinton got by with committing perjury, Trump never committed perjury. The U.S. is facing some important issues. Third world countries getting closer and closer to having nuclear weapons, the fragile internet that world commerce depends on, environmentalists war on energy - U.S. existence doesn't coast along with no effort. Frivolous hatred of a U.S. president can be more dangerous than many people think.
marc9000 writes:
The constant hauling him into court,...

If he hadn't incited insurrection, committed election interference, engaged in illicit business practices, withheld classified documents he had no right to, sexually abused women, and used campaign funds for payoffs, then he wouldn't find himself in courtrooms all the time.
If the judicial system wasn't bent, if the Democrat party wasn't overcome with hate and could think clearly about important issues facing the U.S. he wouldn't have been in court all the time either. If the press would have only ignored him throughout 2021 and 2022, (like they did with all past presidents the first two years after they left office), he wouldn't be president elect today. Some former Biden voters who didn't have TDS saw the irrational hate. They saw the Democrat and press inspired multiple assassination attempts. And attempts to get him off the ballot, while claiming to champion democracy.
Colorado applied a law that prohibits people who have engaged in insurrection or rebellion from running for public office.
Yes, and Trump wasn't charged with insurrection. That he committed insurrection / rebellion is ONLY a Democrat talking point. It only took one Democrat to find that word in the Constitution, and it spread throughout the news media faster than Covid 19. Just because the term "insurrection" is repeated over and over and over and over again ad infinitum, it doesn't make it one bit more true. And its actually a lucky thing for the Democrats that it's not, or it would call to attention the Democrat and news media inspirations of the 2020 riots, the George Floyd riots.
The conservative Supreme Court ruled that only the federal government can determine who runs for president. They were silent about whether Trump had engaged in insurrection.
Probably because he wasn't charged with it! Some things really do make sense!
marc9000 writes:
And they accuse HIM of revenge!

I can't believe you're saying this. You've undoubtedly been listening to what Trump says on the news for months, so how can you deny that Trump has vowed vengeance, something he's done repeatedly. You shouldn't need reminding, but to cite just one instance, here's what he said in a June interview with Sean Hannity: “Look, when this election is over, based on what they’ve done, I would have every right to go after them, and it would be easy because it’s Joe Biden.”
Vowing and ENGAGING are two different things. The Democrats and the media have been ENGAGING since 2016. Trump would have "every right" because he was declared largely innocent of the Democrat witch hunt by a pretty big jury, the U.S. voters. Some voters like myself would like to see him "go after" a few, to hopefully educate future generations that a corrupt DOJ isn't good for the country, and there should be some accountability.
It makes no sense to me that the country has again elected Trump. They know not what they do.
There are a lot of reasons. Only one could be that they've been hearing the news media shriek about how prices will rise under Trump's tariffs, while they're currently dealing with the rising prices of the past four years due to Biden's war on energy. With Trump's new energy policies, even with a few tariffs, maybe they will balance out. Or more than balance out. However the change in policies turn out, the voters were ready for some changes.

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Message 155 of 441 (921124)
12-31-2024 11:16 AM


Just a closing summary.
It would be great if there could be a rational conversation between people of opposing views. Please try to be one of those people.
Not possible here, you and others trash forum rule #10 far too much. I was having a rational conversation with another conservative here, Message 143 a message that wasn't directed to you. It was you who butted in and stirred up this latest trouble.
I used to think that you enjoyed sparring with me as much as i did, but it's becoming increasingly clear that you don't enjoy it at all. You spent a ton of time on these last two messages, apparently you feel compelled to do it to pacify and amuse your poster-base here. You're good at that, you get lots of green dots and forum rule breaking lovey posts. Message 154 I see you've now turned off my email notifications for new responses. I was still enjoying it sometimes, the way you'd automatically knee jerk disagree with ANYTHING I say, prompting funny things like this, among many others;
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If Trump wants to reduce crime he should let in more immigrants, not less.
It makes no sense to me that the country has again elected Trump. They know not what they do.
The border problem isn't the fault of any politician.
Any large group of people, like illegal immigrants, will be very similar in these types of qualities to any other large group of people, like American citizens.
You're a broken record.
You have a long history of delusion regarding the media.
We pretty much know how Trump will do his job as president. He will run roughshod over democratic norms, and it is feared, with more than reasonable justification, that he will try to remain in office past the end of his term, or possibly pass the office on to someone of his choosing rather than an election's choosing.
Some ironic, some funny, it was a blast.
I'm pretty much the lone administrator here now.
Whoops!! Did you just let is slip that you and Moose are the same person?
Administrators aren't supposed to moderate threads in which they're participating, but you're taking advantage by taking long absences and then just appearging again in threads I'm participating in. This is a longstanding pattern with you, and you should no longer expect your absence to reset the clock on violations of the Forum Guidelines you were committing the previous time you were here. There's no reason you should be permitted to commit the same violations again several times and then disappear before it rises to the level of administrative action. There will be no more recusals, no more resetting the clock. Action will be taken on your very next violation.
But you can't warn me about what those specific violations are? You can't, because I don't violate forum rules to anywhere near the extent that you, and others do here, as you constantly trash forum rule #10 when responding to me. You "took action" against Faith years ago because of her opinions, not your lame excuse that she said something dangerous about vaccines. You're now extra nervous about me, because someone like K. Rose checks in once in a while, and you and ALL your helpers can't handle two or more actual conservatives. You believe in free speech about as much as Benito Mussolini did.
Is there anything you don't blame on the press? Please open a thread to discuss your opinions about the media or I will take administrative action.
I am almost paralyzed with fear. It could be interesting - I could load it up with links from the Media Research Center, and others from many other sources, along with my own monitoring of what ABC news reports on and covers up. But the thread would instantly be no good, your helpers would come in and immediately obliterate forum rule #10, reply with little or nothing of substance, (forum rule#4) and you'd wink and nod.
You're bigoted against immigrants and are just making up excuses for why they should not be permitted to be here. Don't forget that America was built by immigrants. You yourself are descended from immigrants, as am I. What you've got is "We got here first so it's ours now and all others should stay out" syndrome.
What I've got is a common sense knowledge that there is a world of difference between legal immigrants and illegal immigrants. I know a few legal immigrants, no one is despised more by legal immigrants than are illegal immigrants. I'm NOT descended from illegal immigrants, illegal immigrants did NOT build America.
You should have plenty of fun for the next four years trashing Trump, if he doesn't get shot. If you need to take administrative action against me, knock yourself out, I won't be here to see it. If I'm not banned, I might happen in when someone like K.Rose has something to say, and attempt to be one of those people that can have a rational conversation, and watch you and your helpers fly into a rage again.
Have a happy New Trump Year!

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