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Jaderis
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Message 12 of 45 (426670)
10-08-2007 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by macaroniandcheese
10-08-2007 11:42 AM


Re: God never intended Fast Food!
I remember reading about the cultivation of maize in the book 1491 by Charles C. Mann. Quite interesting.
Even more interesting and also pertinent to the topic is the research Mann cites that proposes that much of what we consider wild rainforest now used to be "orchards" that were cultivated over the millenia by native Amazonians. That they didn't just live passively among a natural abundance, but that they actively shaped their environment and their food sources through careful selection and breeding. So even "wild" foods may not be as wild as we think.
To jar - would selective breeding automatically disqualify something as "God-intended?" Especially if He commanded us to "subdue the earth." Wouldn't that possibly entail manipulating foodstuffs to our benefit? Why or why not?

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

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Jaderis
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Message 18 of 45 (426683)
10-08-2007 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by macaroniandcheese
10-08-2007 12:13 PM


Re: God never intended Fast Food!
eat freely of the trees is a lot different than subduing the grains of the fields
Well, He did say any tree in the garden.
My question is how can we know what God intended us to do when He said to "subdue the earth." Some people (like Ann Coulter) suggest that it gives us license to rape and even destroy the earth if we want to. I don't agree with that interpretation, however, God also cursed Adam to toil in the fields and to work to get his food. Now, taken as a story about the reasons why the world works the way it does (pain in childbirth, snakes having no legs, agriculture, etc), it would make sense that God did intend for us to selectively breed the foods that we eat as that is what agriculture is for. Otherwise, God wold have said something like "you are cursed to track and chase the beasts and spend hours looking for the most nutritious fruits and nuts."
It is a story written by people who already practiced agriculture and had, presumably, already manipulated their food supply to their benefit for many, many years.

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

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Jaderis
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Message 20 of 45 (426685)
10-08-2007 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by jar
10-08-2007 12:37 PM


Re: God never intended Fast Food!
But God is not "manipulating foodstuffs to our benefit"
I didn't say that God was doing the manipulating. I meant that we were and asked why God could not have intended such a thing when he commanded us to ""subdue the earth" and then consequently cursed man to toil in the fields for his food (agriculture).
For more, see my post to brenna above.

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

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