I would be more inclined to promote this topic if you simply left jar out of it and wished to outline Socrates argument.
If you find the argument at another link, you can give us the link here. I will promote the topic to Links and information.
If you feel that I am ignorant of the facts, you can argue with me and we can promote this to Coffee House.
s your basic premise hinged on the idea that there is a moral absolute that is basically irrefutable?
I know that there is a basic moral absolute belief, but I also am aware that beliefs are relative, seeing how we can never prove them otherwise.....or can you enlighten us? 
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