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Author Topic:   Forever Faithful: A Question for Creationists
funkman
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Message 3 of 95 (98945)
04-09-2004 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Ammarice
03-04-2004 9:14 PM


A very short answer to this question would be that true believers are given faith by the Holy Spirit, and this faith convinces them of the truth of God's Word. Evolution cannot fit into the teachings of the Bible, and the only alternative that does is creation. So despite the "evidence" for evolution, the creationist believes in the Bible no matter what because it is the absolute authority.

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funkman
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Message 6 of 95 (98955)
04-09-2004 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by MrHambre
04-09-2004 3:59 PM


So you wouldn't be convinced by any amount of evidence, because you've already made up your mind that evolution doesn't fit into your Christian worldview.
I believe God is infallible, and man is fallible. I believe God's evidence (the Bible) is infallible, and man's evidence is fallible. I have every reason to trust God, who has never been proven wrong before; and every reason to not trust man, who has been proven wrong many times before. Until you can prove the Bible is wrong, than all your "evidence" will be useless as far as changing my mind. Perhaps a rather closeminded statement on my part, but there can be only one interpretation of the truth, and I'll stick with the one that's worked.
Wouldn't it be more logical to assume that evolution should fit into your Christian worldview, since there's evidence to support evolution's scientific validity?
No, it wouldn't. As I stated before, evolution does not fit into the Biblical worldview, so it would be contradictory and illogical for me to say I believe the Bible and also evolution which contradicts the Bible.

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funkman
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Message 7 of 95 (98956)
04-09-2004 4:31 PM
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04-09-2004 4:04 PM


Ok lets do a experiment: You and I jump out of an airplane.. You put your faith in the holy spirit and i will put my faith in a parachute and physics.
Not the most enticing of experiments. But why not follow through with that thought. I believe that God is all-powerful and has a purpose for everything. If we were to do this experiment, I have complete faith that God could protect me from harm. If He did, great for me, but I bet you would find some way of expaining it away. If He didn't, even better for me because I get to go home to heaven to be with Jesus forever, and for you and all those that witnessed the experiment - who knows? maybe you'll think to yourself "Wow, that guy had alot of faith, so much that he was willing to die for it. I don't have that much faith in anything. I wonder what made him different." And maybe you'd turn to the Bible to see why I believed what I did. And maybe you'd get saved. Or maybe you wouldn't, but like I said before, I believe God has a reason for everything, and He will work out all things to His glory.

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funkman
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Message 12 of 95 (99378)
04-12-2004 9:09 AM
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04-09-2004 7:01 PM


This is impossible, of course, but I'm really only making the point that belief in an infallible Bible is a matter of faith, not evidence, and that you really accept an infallible Bible out of faith, and not because you've been provided evidence.
I agree. I have never made the contention that evidence is what causes me to believe the Bible. The Bible speaks for itself on the points that you list that would be necessary to prove its infallibility - but, of course, that requires that you start out with a belief that the Bible is a reliable source of truth, which I do. And believing that is a matter of faith.
To your question of the Bible being fallible because it was written by fallible men, again I take a stance of faith in the Bible when it says "all Scripture is given by inspiration of God." (II Timothy 3:16) This verse means that when the fallible men were writing, they were writing only what infallible God wanted them to write.

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funkman
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Message 13 of 95 (99379)
04-12-2004 9:11 AM
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04-09-2004 7:08 PM


Okay, but you might want to consider Matthew 4:7 before you jump: Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
I stand corrected. Thank you, Percy, for this excellent use of Scripture (and for showing that evos don't always use the Bible out of context).

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funkman
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Message 14 of 95 (99380)
04-12-2004 9:11 AM
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04-09-2004 7:08 PM


Hooray! My first double post!!
[This message has been edited by funkman, 04-12-2004]

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funkman
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Message 17 of 95 (99942)
04-14-2004 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Percy
04-14-2004 12:06 PM


your faith in the inerrancy of your interpretation of the Bible
No, not the inerrancy of my interpretation. The inerrancy of the Bible. The Bible is the authority, not me. If my interpretation of it is shown to be wrong by it, then I must change my interpretation.
evidence of the natural world, which is also an expression of God's word, by the way, and even more literally inerrant.
I think I would disagree with you on this point. The universe is affected by the curse of sin. God's Word is not. God has not allowed sin and error into his Word, but He has allowed sin and error into the world.
How is this any different than someone saying to you, "I'm inspired by God, what I say is inerrant."
It's not. However, if that person was put to the test, I'm sure you would find sin and contradictions and unfulfilled prophecies in what that person had said. Not so with the Bible.

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