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tsjok45
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Message 54 of 137 (105842)
05-06-2004 7:06 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by almeyda
05-05-2004 1:25 PM


Re: ..The point is there isnt even a basis for morality..
You are proposing your god as the " basic of morals "
The divine guide , dictates the rules that you call "morality "
What rules ?
---> the rules of Allah - and the sharia ?
---> the rules of YAHWE - and the Thora ?
---> The hindu rules ? etc ...
---> The unfaillible decrees of the pope ?
---> The tenets of the moral majority ?
---> The habits of the ruling class in your society
---> The dictates/teachings of your church
---> The writings and life of the "divine Oarsmen" Mao-tse-toeng ?
---> The conventions in your society considered by the elderly as " good " ?
---> Julius Caesar ? Napoleon ?
---> The "deep truths " sayings of dementing popular lunatics considered very " wise men "
and why do you think that one of these is " more moral" then the others ?
You even can state that the non-believers are immoral and therefore can be exploited
and exterminated in a "moral justified " way,____ why, it was ordered by God ?
Simple
the Morals are the morals imposed by the ruler/ ruling classes and societies that survive ...
That's why there are punishments attached to morals and "laws " , because without them they
have no real power to control the behaviour of people under those laws ...
Without executive power, any imposed reglementation is mere bluff ....
What you call morality
are the rules to maintain a certain society running ....
Obedience and surrender to these rules is based on
psychological mechanisms
Apprenticeship and initiation rituals
education
conditioning
and yes brute force ....
But most of all the human need to live in any social setting that is beneficial to the
reproduction power of the concerned population ....
Particular "Morals' are the norms in any society
there never was "another "base
And the divine is nothing else but the " ghostly "representation of the "society "
itself ...
God is nothing else but the "Swarm Intelligence" in a large men-nest
( compare it to caravan- ants colonnes )
And yes , haven't you noticed :
the "morals" change if the societies survival is under attack /environmental stress
and
That's a fact ... not a much desired goal ...
If the morals decline in present societies the reason is "OVERPOPULATION" and the increased
competition for supplies and materials that keep these societies running ...

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tsjok45
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Message 56 of 137 (105856)
05-06-2004 8:45 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by almeyda
05-06-2004 7:43 AM


Re: ..The point is there isnt even a basis for morality..
SCIENCE-Scientific information that people only discovered recently or centuries after....etc ...
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1.- The bible is no scientific book
2.- Neither is it a " user manual " to repair your car or to find the best ways to solve occuring problems in THIS world
3.- prophecies that are fullfilled are not the bible's monopoly
--->Nostradamus did some for example
--->Even witches could predict that "food turns into junk " on a summer day and without freezer availeable ...
The rest of your post is equally puzzling
--->Why do you want to built a god that fits into your peculiar sect and mind-set ?
--->Your brand of creationism is maybe pure and simple
"fundamentalistic politics" ?
Do you want to install a worldwide christian Theocracy ?
and your MORAL laws that then you can impose on everyone ?
Again about prophesies :
Do you want to blow up the Al Aqsa mosque in order to fullfill
the prophesies of the " second coming" of Christ ?
Do you think you will miss your wanted "doomsday "-date , you are longing for ?
I think that your replies has nothing to do anymore with creation/evolution debate ; but is pure and simple propaganda
and zealotry by a proselytising but "usefull" tool of the ideology
/doctrine concerned ...
Why can't your god-cartoon realise his own plans ? do you ...eh ...
think ?
Thanks for reminding me the still very real existence of this ( and yours ? ) particular kind of totalitarians ...
Blessings

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tsjok45
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Message 65 of 137 (105893)
05-06-2004 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by almeyda
05-06-2004 9:23 AM


Re: ..The point is there isnt even a basis for morality..
Have you got one other source besides Nostradamus disputed prophecy?..
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Why should I cite all the prophets , witches , story tellers and
lunatics ( including Nostradamus ) ... I don't believe in prophecies ... period
( and maybe that is based on my own kind of holy sciptures , which you cannot read , because that woul'd be blasphemy and is also my private property )
And no
there are no ABSOLUTE truths
(not even this one )
Only the best ones we can get , untill they are falsified ...
That doesn't even apply to your blablabla ...
Your doctrine can't be "proven" nor "disproven " and it hasn't even the necessary initial amount of evidences to start with ...
Are you a fundie yes or no ?
it's a simple question ...
Care to answer ?

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