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Coragyps
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Message 66 of 137 (105897)
05-06-2004 10:51 AM
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05-06-2004 10:04 AM


Re: ...
They both involve scientist working in labs doing there experiments.
Oh? Can you document an instance, other than the recent work the RATE group has done in mailing samples off for radiometric dating, where any "creation scientist" has done any lab work at all? They appear to me to spend their time preaching to the "converted" and sitting at their computers writing apologetics!

El sueo de la razn produce monstruos. - Francisco Goya

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jar
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Message 67 of 137 (105912)
05-06-2004 11:27 AM
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05-06-2004 9:23 AM


Re: ..The point is there isnt even a basis for morality..
If you would like to see prophesy, prophesy that has been shown to be true, that has been proven far more reliable than the BIBLE EVER has, look to Science.
That is what Science does, day in, day out, century after century.
It says, "If this theory is true we should see XYZ happen". Then it tests it to see. And if XYZ doesn't happen, it throws the theory out.
It is also the one place where prophesies are made that if they should be proven true, will invalidate the theory in question.
And further, those are the best prophesies of all.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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almeyda
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Message 68 of 137 (105917)
05-06-2004 11:41 AM


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PAUL K - I wouldnt call that a contradiction. It may well make God out to be evil or whatever but it doesnt disprove the Bible. God has brought wrath & judgement many times & will again. Its hard to explain to the non-believer why his holiness demands judgement & punishment. It is really a whole other topic
PAUL K - This Jeremiah one was also taken out of context. The lord blesses those who obey him. He also says those who repent of the old ways will be saved for the old things are forgotten come all things new. And this is empasized in verse 8 "If that nation against whom i have pronounced,turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that i thought to do unto them" , more over again if they turn from his word well they will suffer judgement " If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then i will repent of the good, wherewith i said i would benefit them"

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AdminNosy
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Message 69 of 137 (105918)
05-06-2004 11:44 AM
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05-06-2004 9:20 AM


Please review the forum guidelines
You are repeating your assertions. You have not dealt with what people have told you.
quote:
Debate in good faith by addressing rebuttals through the introduction of additional evidence or by enlarging upon the argument. Do not merely keep repeating the same points without further elaboration
It is perfectly fair for you to ask those who disagree to supply their evidence for what they say, of course. However, you are not arguing in good faith if you simply repeat your assertions.

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almeyda
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Message 70 of 137 (105919)
05-06-2004 11:44 AM
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05-06-2004 10:51 AM


Re: ...
Umm no actually Creation scientist are just like any other scientist there really is no difference except whatever evidence they find they must fit it into there framework. Both Evolutionists & Creationists do this. And if it doesnt fit well then that dont accept it, Yes both scientist do. Thats all. Its not complicated
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jar
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Message 71 of 137 (105920)
05-06-2004 11:45 AM
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05-06-2004 4:19 AM


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JAR - How do you agree with both Evolution and The Bible if they contradict each other?.Every word mentioned in the Bible relating to time is in context of literal time and days.Reinterpretations have what led people into changing Gods Word to big gaps,and long periods of time.And as for the Koran?Containing no fullfilled prophecy,coming after the Bible,changing the story well in our version jesus did this?.The Bible cannot even be compared to such a book.If Evolution is true then there is no truth.Yes you may have your philosophical views but that means everyone can listen to there own views.Right? What does that lead do again? A pretty f*cked up world with chaos and war.Evolution eventually leads to social decay
It’s very simple. The BIBLE is not to be read literally. The rest of your paragraph is rambling stream of consciousness.
JAR - Yes a book is only as good as its credentials.How can you belive something if you dont trust it in whatever it says? I surely couldnt.One inch of doubt and the next thing you know your doubting or rejecting whatever you feel like.If the genesis story is false? Then i wonder if Jesus existed or if God even exists? Understand?
No. You are wrong. A book is not as good as it’s credentials. That is were you lose GOD and wander off into something other than religion.
A BOOK is as good as the information in it. The credentials are a simple appeal to authority and an abrogation of any personal thought or wisdom. It is exactly 180 degrees from everything that Jesus taught.
I am not wrong! The Bible was written by over 40 or so men.This issue is not debatable.How many men do you think if any wrote the Bible ??? No evidence of a flood? Damm if only i had it with me.I guess your right for now.But to say there is absolutely no flood evidence is walking on very thin ice
No, you said that the Bible was written by 40 men. Actually, Genesis was written by about 70 different people and in at least three different voices or points of view.
And saying that there has never been a worldwide flood, at least within the million or so years that man has been around is not a stretch or thin ice. There is simply NO evidence that it did happen yet there is clear evidence of many other catastrophic events that happened well before then.
JAR - The ark was the equivalent volume of 522 railroad stockcars,each which can hold 240 sheep.This size was naturally perfect for such a global flood.Are you joking about the sterilization?..Such early life in Leviticus shows how ignorant man can be of such things..(A bit like an evolutionized man without God) God teaches them all about hygeine.
The ark would never have floated. Period. It would not have lasted through day one of the flood.
And there is nothing in Leviticus that shows any knowledge of germs or sterilization. It’s not there. Go look for yourself. Don’t take it on my authority, read the damn book.
What Leviticus does show is that the writers did observe what happened around them. They were not ignorant or stupid. They saw that eating certain foods made people sick. They saw that certain practices made people sick.
So they said, Don’t do that or you’ll get sick
Good work for the period but that is all.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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AdminNosy
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Message 72 of 137 (105921)
05-06-2004 11:46 AM
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05-06-2004 11:41 AM


Topic...
PaulK, Cory, almeyda, Jack, etc etc etc.
Please note the topic title. The responses here are not only getting off topic, they are heading in several directions at once. If that keeps up the thread will get so tangled only capital punishment will resolve it.

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Dr Jack
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Message 73 of 137 (105925)
05-06-2004 11:53 AM
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05-06-2004 11:46 AM


Re: Topic...
PaulK, Cory, almeyda, Jack, etc etc etc.
I have not posted to this thread....
... well, had not.

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PaulK
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Message 74 of 137 (105927)
05-06-2004 11:54 AM
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05-06-2004 11:41 AM


Re: ...
Hold on. Deuteronomy 18:20-22 essentially says that if God sends a prophecy it will happen. Otherwise they would be executing genuine prophets for honestly relaying the word of God.
According to Jonah this is not so. Jonah's genuine prophecy was not fulfilled.
And what Jeremiah says is clear. God sends his word - a prophecy - that he will reward or punish a nation and then depending on their behaviour God may decide to do other than he said - thus causing a genuine prophecy to fail.
So we have a genuine contradiction that you don't call a contradiction and a perfectly good reference that you claim is "out of context" for no apparent reason.
So much for the claim that the Bible has no contradictions.
But to get back to the topic, what about Phinehas ? Is he a murderer ? This is the third time I've asked.
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jar
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Message 75 of 137 (105932)
05-06-2004 12:01 PM
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05-06-2004 11:46 AM


Re: Topic...
One of the problems in this thread (but only one), is that no one has addressed the basic issue. So in an effort to wander back towards the topic I would like to ask a simple question.
"Is there any evidence that there is greater social decay after the publication of Darwin's Descent of Man (biggest mistake he ever made. If he had called it the Ascent of Man, we likely wouldn't be having this conversation.) then there was before publication?"

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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almeyda
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Message 76 of 137 (105937)
05-06-2004 12:08 PM
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05-06-2004 11:54 AM


Re: ...
I answered the first one. I said his holiness demands judgment & punishment
No i dont agree. It is not a failed prophecy. All God was expressing was that peace with God will bring his love and vice versa. Considering you guys still dont admit Creationists are scientist when they really are and you guys expect me to accept this little thing like this? This is easily explainable. It isnt strong enough to officially conclude this is a failed prophecy. It wasnt even a prophecy he was yelling at what is to come through what the consequences of obeying and disobeying are.

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Message 77 of 137 (105938)
05-06-2004 12:10 PM
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05-06-2004 12:08 PM


:LRRB
Thank you for using the right button.
I think PaulK is leading you badly off topic here. Don't follow him.

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PaulK
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Message 78 of 137 (105939)
05-06-2004 12:19 PM
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05-06-2004 12:08 PM


Re: ...
[Note to Nosy - almeyda was the one who asked for contradictions]
Well I see why you insist that there is no contradiction. You are taking each of the contradictory statements in isolation and therfore ignoring the fact that they contradict. So you haven't dealt with the contradiction at all. And if you won't even consider a prophecy a failure if the events predicted do not happen then we see why you insist that the Bible has "hundreds" of successful predictions in it.
And for the fourth time, is Phinehas a murderer ?

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almeyda
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Message 79 of 137 (105943)
05-06-2004 12:26 PM
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05-06-2004 12:19 PM


Re: ...
Lets end it here in respect for the thread main topic...(Very quickly though yes i think his a murderer,Ill need to study that passage more thoughly though, The problem i feel is the way your trying to squeeze this contradictions as big deals when its just the way they were written that makes them seen contradictive but not when read and understood in context.Nothing was predicted in the speech besides a danger of disobedience and obediance respectively,Anyway lets leave it for now...)

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Chiroptera
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Message 80 of 137 (105944)
05-06-2004 12:30 PM
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05-06-2004 4:19 AM


Re: ...
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Chiroptera - So you just admitted that each must listen to his innerself or religion to feel what is right.What if i feel like killing people and raping girls?.Im being totally consistant arent i? Sure i can face punishment by the majority but if i can get away with it,then so be it.Besides who are you to tell me its wrong?.
But you Christians and other religionsists also just do what you feel is right. So you believe in God, so what? So do the Muslims, and you have very different moralities and ethics. There are Muslims who blow up other people for their god, and there are those who just want to live in peace with their neighbors. There are Christians who want to help others and make the world a better place, and there are Christians who claim god wants the White Race to be dominant and rule the other races. There are so many competing claims about what God wants and what is true morality, and in the end you just end up doing what you think is best anyway. In my case, I don't claim to be speaking for God.

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