Does teaching of evolution cause social decay?

I understand what your trying to say and ive said it before it matters on what your basing your philosophy on. The Bible wins hands down. Ive already given the proof and it does make the Bible stand out. More over again its the only other belief that can challenge Evolution surely it must have something going for it or it would not have been able to succeed at any degree against the mighty Evolutionists.

I've explained the contradiction very clearly and you have yet to offer any real answer. I have read and understood the relevant verses *in context* - and that is more than you have done.But still I am glad that you think that Phinehas was a murderer because I quite firmly agree. However the Bible is quite clear that God approved of Phinehas' action and both stopped the plague He had sent (Numbers 25:8) and publically commended Phinehas (Numbers 25:10-13).So you have failed to show any connection between morality and evolution. You have not even shown that there is a breakdown in morality on the very items you address (do you REALLY believe that racism is worse now than it was in 1850 ?)And your proposed solution - relying on the "Word of God" on the grounds that everyone will agree on it has the fatal problems that you will NOT even get agreement on what the "Word of God" is, even if soem agreement were reached on that point there would need to be a human authority interpreting it (and as we see from the example of Phinehas the interpretation is far from obvious) - and you won't get agreement on that either.

If you wnat to start threads to discuss the aspects of your "proof" (which I am afraid is riddled with falsehoods) then I suggest that you do so. Until then I suggest that you refrain from claiming to have proved any such thing. That would be the honest thing to do because all you have done is made a bunch of contentious assertiosn which cannot be adequately discussed in this thread.

Ok lets see..As for that Jeremiah one no there is no contradiction. Taken out of context i wont accept it. Im not one to reject every single one because of my faith. I became a Christian early this year because the evidence i found not because i was born into this nothing like that. Im open but that one is not a contradiction or error. As for the murderer one well you got me. Atm i still trust Gods word but i will need time to study this as i have never read that passage before. Thx for the challenge...Your racism remark well i think Evolution has alot to do with it because evolution teaches different Races are at different stages etc. Hitler thought German were superior to the rest etc. But this is not logical in a Biblical view as we all descended from the same two people. Well the word God is the Bible and as to who interprets well i guess thats why it never worked. But we arent in any much of a better state. Now we are in a meaningless existence an even less standard of morals. Like i said it matters on which ones the truth. Not on our own opinions..Once again the battle rages onThis message has been edited by almeyda, 05-06-2004 11:51 AM

As I've said, many people base their "philosophies" on the Bible, and come up with many different ideas of morality. If you want me to be impressed with the Bible as the sole source of morality, you'll have to demonstrate that one can come up with a consistent morality out of it.And many who do get their morality from the Bible act in very reprehensible ways. I still do not see how the Bible can be used as a guide for morality when many people who do use it behave in such a repugnant manner.No, if I'm going to have to rely on my own sense of right and wrong I'm going to do so honestly, without pretending that somehow god is guiding me.And creationism has never been a challenge to the theory of evolution. At least not in science. It is only in the political arena that the creationists can manage some successes, and that is only in places like the U.S. where the educational system is so abysmal and where the majority of the population are excluded from the political process anyway.

almeydaI think that is really important and I wish you both joy and insight on your journey.But to try to get back on topic.The question that was asked originally is whether teaching Evolution causes Social Decay.First, let me ask you a few specific questions.Do you believe that there is more, less or about the same social decay today as there was in 1804? Or in 1704? Or 1604? Or in 04? Or in 4BC?If you think that is true, what evidence supports your assertions?

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Evolution does not teach that differnet races of humans are at "different stages". Any such idea is a product of the racist assumptions that were already endemic in Western society long before Darwin published. Hitler's racism comes from Gobineau who published shortly BEFORE Darwin.On the other hand Bible believers including creationsits have either insisted that some races are a sperate creation (Agassiz) or even used the story of the curse placed on Canaan to claim that "Hamitic" people are natural servants.Evolution says notihng of the meaning of existence or on whether there is or is not an objective standard of morals. Now the truth is certainly more important than my opinions - but that doesn't mean that your opinions have to be unquestioningly accepted as the truth which is what you have been arguing for throughout this thread.And if you really ARE open to considering the contradiction I raised then I really suggest that you read what I say. Carefully. Because it is very, very obvious that you don't understand the simplest thing about it.

The world is being indoctrinated in anti-Christian morality. Once conservative views of Christian morality were the norm. Today many who hold these views do not only get riduculed but are increasingly being considered the enemy. Things that were once unacceptable are now acceptable.How many abortions happen a year nowaydays? 1.5 million through abortion in America alone?. This was unacceptable in past generations.Homosexuality/sexually immorality is now acceptable as sexual liberation but what do we have for it? A aids epidemic,teenage pregnancy etc.Crime is always on a rise,Teenage gang problems,gun warfare,anti-social behaviour. Scientist who no longer believe in God now have invented "scientific answers" To mankinds problems. Well we descended from apes so we cant be blamed for what man does.Homosexuality,Criminals, even pedaphiles have now got heritory problems etc. At the moment of course society would not consider pedaphilia acceptable however it wasnt very long ago that homosexuality was accepted either!There is so much more thats wrong with society today. The anti-god element is rising everyday as more and more people are indoctrinated into Evolution and a no God world. Evolution as a foundation to society is what creates further problems. People no longer have an absolute authority just the majoritys opinion and there own.But why do i blame evolution for it? Well once we take out the Bible as our foundation for our thinking and replace it with human opinion, Then whatever the majority of people consider legitimate becomes legal. The more people accept the idea that man determines truth and not God. The the more society will reject absolutes of God and replace these with rules that allow man to express his sinful nature.The Bible clearly warns that mans heart is decietful & tends to go for that which is bad than which is good (Romans 3:10). When nations decriminilize abortion,homsexuality,euthanasia, and other abominations then laws eventually arise to make it a criminal act to speak out against such things.This anti-God view is led by Humanistic philsophy,founded in Evolutionary principles. Humanists will then seek and presently do suppress all opposition from those who adhere to the plain teaching of the Bible. To defeat the plain and pure teaching of the Bible Evolutionists & Humanists call for taking children from an early age and indoctrinating them into what they call "conventional science" which is nothing more than Atheistic Evolutionary philosophy.THE CHASM IS WIDENING!EVOLUTION : Morality dictated by majority opinionCREATION : Absolute rules for life set by Creator edited to add paragraph breaks, no changes made to spelling, grammar, or spacing issues. Almeyda may want to work on fixing some of these other problems - The Queen This message has been edited by AdminAsgara, 05-07-2004 12:18 AM

Almeyda, I'm going to ask you to please support your claims. I know others are going to jump on this issue so I thought I'd bring it up first.You have been asked in several threads to stop posting unsupported assertions and you have yet to respond to any of my Admin posts.We want to keep you posting here, but you do need to follow the Forum Guidelines. Please respond to let me know that you have read and understand this post and the guidelines I have linked to.

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I read the guidelines but i dont understand what you mean? Jar asked me a question so i answered it..What am i doing thats different to other people? Yes i know i refer to the Bible but its a Creation (Bible) vs Evolution forum?This message has been edited by almeyda, 05-07-2004 12:42 AM

I'm guessing this is the introduction of your argument, so I'll let it slip for now. You might want to consider that that is 1.5 million children that will have to end up in orphanages each year. Let's face it, the number of people adopting kids aren't catching up with the number of children needed to be adopted. I'm not talking about the United States alone. I'm talking about a world wide problem. You might want to go back to school (if you are not in school right now) and learn more about the AIDS epidemic. And just how does homosexuality tie in with teenage pregnancy? If anything, you should be thanking us for not continuing to help overpopulate this planet. In fact, I think you should be on your knees thanking us for allowing your offsprings to have less competition later on. Look at these graphs. These were taken from The Bureau of Justice Statistics
Notice that the only crimes that are increasing are crimes related to drugs because of this stupid drug war that we are in. Homosexuality doesn't have anything with pediphilia. Get your freaking facts straight! Actually, there are more pediphilic men that prey on girls (in proportion to the population of the group) than the ones that go after little boys. If you want proof of this, I'll give it to you later. I strongly suggest you take a class on philosophy of ethics. Subjectivism is one of the weakest branches of the "tree" of moral theories. You mean you want us to revert back to the times when the church is free to burn people alive for being labeled as heretics? Warning!!! Slipery Slope detected! Warning!!! Straw Man detected! What the hell are you talking about? The theory of evolution doesn't have anything to do with popular opinion. In fact, the majority of the people I know don't believe in evolution. IFF he exists.You've just proven to us that we need to educate people more or they'll end up being as ignorant as you.

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Some references to the sources you used in post 88 would be nice.Where did you get your information on rising crime rates? On abortion numbers?Jar has asked several times for your evidence for claims made in this thread. Some evidence might include the Bureau of Justice Statistics, or FBI statistics.Everyone here should support their claims. At times it seems as if they are not, but generally it is because an issue is widely accepted. When an opponant does NOT accept it and asks for verification then it needs to be given.

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Sorry for the lack of sources. I now see why you guys need them now. I can see all what i said happening all around me. Maybe its because im viewing the world through a Biblical perspective. But i can see society heading downhill as they turn there backs on God. I dont have a FBI statistic to back this up. So you have to take it as just my opinion.

Edited by Lam. I have already proven that crime rates are actually going down and provided a source for it.As for the abortion rate, The US Census Bureau website has the information on that. Click on section 2 of year 2003 report. Go to page 15 and you will see that about 1.5 million induced abortions are done each year.Before I edited this post, I stated that there were only 1,500 abortions each year. I did not notice that it stated that the numbers represent 1,000 each. So, he was correct after all. I apologize for my mistake earlier. It's late now.By the way, aren't I good or what? This message has been edited by Lam, 05-07-2004 01:40 AM

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*Ahem* I believe I've done your work for you.Noone here has a problem with you looking at the world from the biblical perspective. However, we do have a problem with you making assertions that you can't support.Although the abortion rate you made turned out to be true by my research, the fact that you couldn't back up your claims makes me question your other assertions. Your crime rate claim obviously wrong, as I have shown with graphs. I just don't understand why you continue to make these claims that are being easily shot down by critical thinking and the use of facts on our part.I think it is time for you to question about your worldview.This message has been edited by Lam, 05-07-2004 01:39 AM

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