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Message 42 of 303 (295262)
03-14-2006 3:07 PM


yes..no...maybe.
I am with Crashfrog on this one. If humans have souls and humans are animals then animals have souls too. If there is even such a thing as a soul. The problem with the whole dualism and metaphysics is that the supernatural is only available to believers in it. I heard on a tv program about crop circles the other night where a skeptic said if a crop circle was made in a Christmas tree farm he would be impressed. So would I at that.


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Message 44 of 303 (295276)
03-14-2006 3:28 PM
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Re: yes..no...maybe.
Your right, I retract my last post.
Please continue with your regularly scheduled discussion.
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Message 82 of 303 (306200)
04-23-2006 9:26 PM
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04-23-2006 10:51 AM


Re: About hydrozoa and scyphozoa...
crashfrog writes:

....,not enlist a cadre of musty old codgers to do it for you.

lol.
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Message 89 of 303 (306346)
04-24-2006 9:11 PM
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04-24-2006 10:21 AM


Re: Wolves and Trees
Hi Kalimero,
Kalimero writes:

Saying that there is "possiibly an immaterial reality"without being able to measure it is unscientific.

Heh, I think that humans have reached the limits of what can be measured. And when one goes down to the nitty gritty of what makes up our reality we leave the realm of material and enter the realm of flying pigs. lol
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Message 90 of 303 (306356)
04-24-2006 9:51 PM
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04-24-2006 8:39 AM


Re: About hydrozoa and scyphozoa...
I get the impression that this argument all stems from the ancient concept of dualism. Something that exist apart from itself. Aristotilian metaphyics wrapped up with Platonic shadows. But beyond this I see his point. He seems to be suggesting that there are distinct differences in objects due to they're existance apart from other things. The old alchemist thought that if they could just figure out what made gold, gold. They could make lead gold. what give gold it's goldness? We know now as you have mentioned it is a collection of atoms arranged in the configuration that makes it so. Things are only different because the chemical properties and the interactions of energy and matter differentiate the material world to be manifested as gold or lead or 'tar'. I know so many people who think that essences do differentiate matter.
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Message 94 of 303 (306491)
04-25-2006 11:22 AM
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04-25-2006 8:26 AM


Re: Wolves and Trees
When I said science has reached it's limit on what can be measured I am speaking of the phenomenon of not being able to observe or measure a quantum event without affecting the data by making the measurement. It is not possible to take ourselves out of the equation.

And although humans are quite clever apes we still do not know what lurks within the depths of our own seas, let alone beyond our own galaxy. Abiogenisis still confounds us, cold fusion, quantum gravity, Pre Plankian time, conciousness. VCR recording directions..... So asking questions like do animals have a soul can just be added to the list. :D


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