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ringo
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Message 74 of 142 (428440)
10-16-2007 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Kitsune
10-16-2007 12:05 PM


On Car Repair
LindaLou writes:
Maybe other ways aren't so trustworthy. You therefore always rule them out. I don't. You call it bad science. I call it being open-minded.
If I offered to fix your car by the laying-on of hands, how open-minded would you be? How much would you be willing to pay for unmeasurable amounts of chemicals "added" to your gasoline? (Better yet, let me fix your car from across the ocean by the power of prayer. Just send money.)
Why not be "open-minded" about the mundane things too?

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 79 of 142 (428484)
10-16-2007 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Kitsune
10-16-2007 1:39 PM


Re: On Car Repair
LindaLou writes:
And yes, you see some of them making some pretty amazing claims here, and those too are obviously wrong a lot of the time.
I see you making some pretty amazing claims too, obviously wrong a lot of the time. More important, I see you using the same thought processes as the creationists. If you reject creationism, it's for the wrong reasons.
But I've got to give them credit for their open minds, as long as they aren't too gullible or vulnerable to people who want to scam them.
That's just it, though. They are too gullible. If it wasn't for the gullible, there wouldn't be any creationist books or videos and without them, there wouldn't be any creationist movement.
The gullibility is the same, whether it's about dinosaurs on the ark or ghosts in the attic or telepathy. If there was a movement to teach ghost-hunting or spoon-bending in schools, they'd be making videos and you'd be buying them.
You must talk to people daily who are not 100% skeptics. Do all of them seem unhinged? They just have a bit of a different way of looking at the world.
No. They have a different way of thinking about the world. There are people who think, "Wouldn't it be awsome if there was a giant sky-daddy who poofed the world into existence?" and there are people who think, "Wouldn't it be cool if there were spirits that can throw milk bottles around?" and there are people who think, "Doesn't it make sense that my thoughts will last forever?" What's the difference?
The people who are "100% skeptical" just want to know how the world came into existence and how milk bottles can fly and how thoughts work.
I don't see why it has to be so rigorously applied to the rest of one's life.
That's why I brought up car repair. It is applied in the rest of your life. If a skeptical mechanic is good enough to fix your car, why isn't a skeptic good enough to monitor your milk bottles?
ABE:
I'm willing to admit the possibility that faith healing can work, but I am also unwilling to let myself possibly be scammed.
There's a fine line between taking an interest and being scammed.
Do you buy a lot of books on poltergeists, alternative "medicine", telepathy, etc.? Do you spend an equivalent amount on books debunking those claims?
If you're only looking at one side (and your posting history here suggests that you are), you probably are being scammed.
Edited by Ringo, : Added reply to second post.

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