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Annafan
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Message 93 of 142 (429900)
10-22-2007 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Kitsune
10-22-2007 9:17 AM


Re: On thought and telepathy
Why not at least grant me the freedom to think that this is just a little narrow-minded, and that there may be more to life than science currently understands, or perhaps can ever adequately explain.
That's not the point. A true skeptic has no problem acknowledging that there is a lot out there that science hasn't been able to explain, or even observe. But she has the humility to acknowledge that any impressions, hunches or feelings that she has about this, are extremely fallible. And humility is indeed the right word here, contrary to the accusations that skeptics are so certain of themselves, so arrogant. A skeptic has doubt, whereas the true believer has unquestioned revelation and intuition. Why don't these people ever take it for possible that they are fallible, that they can fall into misconceptions or that they might not have enough knowledge and information to correctly interprete experiences? I mean, history is chock full of examples. Why would we be immune?

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Annafan
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Message 100 of 142 (430048)
10-23-2007 4:36 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by Kitsune
10-23-2007 2:46 AM


Re: On thought and telepathy
What is there to say? I don't think I have all the answers just because I am of a mystical bent. I simply believe that there are more ways at arriving at Truth that that which science provides. As it's impossible to explain this to anyone who says that this is simply fantasy, wishful thinking, lying to myself, delusion, etc, then there's nothing more for me to add here. I am not a theist but spirituality is a large part of my life. That is valid for me, and for many others.
What I don't understand is how you use the word "Truth" here. Unless you are able to somehow convince (get to agree, or even better: convert) others of this "Truth", it can't be anything else but personal truth. Which, in the end, is nothing but a euphemism for opinion, don't you agree?
It's fine to have opinions, but only as long as you're aware that they are opinions and that they could be wrong, and that they are severely lacking potential to reach agreement about with other people.
Keeping opinions (personal truth) and objective truth seperate would go a long way in coexisting peacefully and preventing people from getting riled up

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Annafan
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Message 113 of 142 (430270)
10-24-2007 7:26 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by JavaMan
10-23-2007 12:23 PM


Re: On thought and telepathy
JavaMan writes:
Don't you think it's possible to come to the truth about anything, except via scientific investigation or logic?
It all depends on what "kind" of Truth we're talking about here.
Of course I don't consider/analyse each and every concept that I get in touch with, or observation that I make, upto a degree that I would include it in "Truth", before I deal with it and go on with my life. But yeah, when I'm pushed to say whether I think something is True or not, I consider my own gut feeling or superficial impressions as pretty irrelevant and worthless. My impression of some thing/phenomenon might be bang on, it might be a useful approximation or it might even be a huuuge misconception that happens to be irrelevant in the context of how I deal with it.
For example I've had a couple of experiences that others would easily have classified as "paranormal". Like this time when I walked to the postbox, for no particular reason thought about somebody I had known a couple of years ago, and believe it or not when I opened the postbox there was a letter by this person!
Linda would, I guess (sorry if I'm wrong), seriously contemplate concepts like Synchronicity or whatever in a case like this. All I thought was that, since the last time that something like that had happened to me, a trillion other events must have happened in my life which had the same potential of creating an incredible coincidence. I thought it was strange that I had to wait that long for it to happen again, lol.

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