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Author Topic:   Creationist quotes and citations reflects a greater level of academic dishonesty
crashfrog
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Message 6 of 70 (109858)
05-22-2004 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by almeyda
05-22-2004 7:46 AM


I think its a great way in a certain situation/topic to state what evolutionary scientific men speak on Evolution in such a way.
But when you take their statements out of context to make them look like they're saying something they're not, that's lying.
Is your support for creationism so weak you have to resort to lying to defend it? Disgusting. Do you think that's what Jesus wants you to do? Lie?
The fact is alot of evolutionists see the problems and speak on them.
Don't you think you're going to go to hell for lying, Almeyda? Just because you're lying for Christ doesn't make it right.

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crashfrog
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Message 16 of 70 (109959)
05-23-2004 5:22 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by almeyda
05-23-2004 3:11 AM


We're trying to tell you something, Almeyda, and you're not listening.
What we're trying to tell you is that the people you say said those things didn't say those things.
They may have used those words, but they used them as part of a larger context that you're ignoring.
That means that when you say these people said the things you say they said, you're lying. Do you think lying is good as long as you're doing it for God? I doubt God thinks so.

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crashfrog
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Message 19 of 70 (109969)
05-23-2004 6:31 AM
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05-23-2004 6:15 AM


But the fact is these quotes arent so much taken out of context.
How do you know? Did you look them up in their context to check? Did you have the expertise and training in the sciences to understand the context?
If you say that these quotes aren't out of context, but it's obvious to anyone who knows the context that they are, you're lying again.
Don't you get tired of lying all the time? I know I'm getting tired of pointing it out. Do you think that's how God wants you to act, or what?
These scientist have the same degress and PhDs, same achievments.
No, they really don't. As a rule, they generally only have Ph.Ds in irrelevant fields - like engineering or computer science - or degrees that are outright fraudulent or worthless, like Kent Hovind.
Awards and prize winners for there discoveries and achievements.
Oh, yeah? C'mon - tell me who among Creationists has a Nobel Prize in a relevant field.
Creation scientist are shunned by mainstream science.
Yeah, just like Holocaust deniers and UFOlogists. That's because those things - like creationism - just aren't science.

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crashfrog
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Message 32 of 70 (110058)
05-23-2004 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by johnfolton
05-23-2004 11:35 PM


on the Moon
Ask Buz. I'm sure he's old enough to have seen men on the Moon. (One was even named after him. )
Moreover they left stuff there, so they must have been there. Not sure what your point was with this.

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crashfrog
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Message 35 of 70 (110071)
05-24-2004 1:58 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by almeyda
05-23-2004 9:42 PM


PHYSICS - Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Kelvin
Lord Kelvin supplied a thermodynamic proof that the Earth had to be much, much older than 6,000 years. YEC was disproved by this creationist.
BIOLOGY - Ray, Linnaeus, Mendel, Pasteur, Virchow, Agassiz
These biologists all supplied the groundwork theories for evolution. Creationism was disproved by these "creationists."
GEOLOGY - Steno, Woodward, Brewster, Buckland, Cuvier
These geologists all supplied evidence that the Biblical timeframe for the Earth is in error. Despite being Christians they concluded that the Bible was not literally correct on the age of the Earth.
ASTRONOMY - Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Hershel, Maunder
Men who made it their life's work to study the stars, and in doing so, proved the Bible to be in error about them. (Seriously? You tried to pass off Copernicus and Gallileo as adherents to Church doctrine?)
Great. You've hit us with a list of people who disproved the positions of Answers in Genesis and a literal reading of the Bible. What was your point here, exacly? I can't believe that you thought these people supported your position without actually looking up there accomplishments. Duh!

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crashfrog
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Message 49 of 70 (110569)
05-26-2004 1:52 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by almeyda
05-26-2004 12:54 AM


But lord Kelvin discovered the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.
Right, which proves not only that evolution can occur, but that it must. The second law after all is what makes all chemical processes possible. Nothing can ever happen in the world without the second law.
Energy cannot be created/destroyed which disproves the big bang theory as evolution suggests.
A) Evolution says nothing about the big bang. That's two different theories.
B) That's not the second law of thermodynamics. You might want to look it up in a physics text.
Evolutionists come up with all sorts of refutes to this but this solid argument remains hard on the origins on evolution.
What argument? You've made up a fake law and pretended that evolution contradicts it.
What you really mean is that they supplied groundwork for biology. Not evolution.
No, evolution. I meant what I said. The theory of evolution is based on the contributions of these scientists, especially Linneaus and Mendel. Linneaus outlined the hierarcheal model of taxonomic classification, which suggested common decent of creatures. Mendel explained the mechanisms and patterns of heredity, on which evolution relies.
Maybe you would have been better served if you had looked up what these scientists had discovered, because then you wouldn't have presented the forefathers of evolutionary theory as "creationists." If it was creationists who came up with evolution, that sort of destroys your "interpretation" argument, doesn't it?
And today their are thousands of fully qualified biologists who disprove evolution and believe creation.
No, there's really not.

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crashfrog
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Message 51 of 70 (110574)
05-26-2004 2:05 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by almeyda
05-26-2004 1:59 AM


Your priceless.
And you're a piece of work - lying, dissembling, and promoting mistruths. Why do you think it's ok to lie for God?

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crashfrog
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Message 58 of 70 (110627)
05-26-2004 8:30 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by almeyda
05-26-2004 7:46 AM


Evolution must occur? What does that mean.
It means that because organisms reproduce chemically, they can't do so perfectly. Entropy causes changes, which we call "mutations." The second law necessitates imperfect reproduction.
Any time you have imperfect reproduction, you have variation in a population. Any time you have variation you have differential survival. That's natural selection.
Random mutation and natural selection, both inevitable results of the second law. That's evolution. Because the second law always applies, evolution must happen, and it does.
You have to realise that the foundation of your theory lies in its origins.
No. The foundation of evolution, like all science, is observation, not other theories. Evidence is the foundation of evolution, not the big bang. Evolution is true no matter where the universe comes from, be it the big bang, or Genesis, or a steady-state universe.
No these scientist did not make the groundwork for evolution.
Says you, but I've already shown that they did.
And anyway, why should I believe you? It's obvious that you don't know anything about evolution, biology, or science. Am I supposed to believe that, in an hour, you've become an expert on the history of science? Please.
AiG have biologists.
Maybe one or two. They certainly don't have "thousands." What they have thousands of are shysters, hucksters, and mountebanks. Folks with fake degrees and bogus credentials.
We seriously should be way ahead of this stage by now.
We'll never get past it until you stop lying and start telling the truth.

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