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johnfolton 
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Message 31 of 70 (110054)
05-23-2004 11:35 PM


It is quite interesting that the Word says heaven is Gods throne, it also said: if thou make a nest in the stars the Lord will bring it down. The Word says the fossils are young, we all know evolutionists say the Word is wrong, but interestingly the Russian space station, a nest in the heavens has been brought down, I mean all you see is unmanned, man did exalt himself even saying the eagle has landed, but you don't see men on Mars, on the Moon, what you see is the Shuttle that crashed, you see the Russian Space Station crashing, etc...

kjv Oba 1:4 Though thou exalt [thyself] as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.


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Message 32 of 70 (110058)
05-23-2004 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by johnfolton
05-23-2004 11:35 PM


on the Moon

Ask Buz. I'm sure he's old enough to have seen men on the Moon. (One was even named after him. )

Moreover they left stuff there, so they must have been there. Not sure what your point was with this.


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Message 33 of 70 (110060)
05-24-2004 12:05 AM
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05-23-2004 9:55 PM


Re: Orderly
NosyNed

While you are making a good point (it is one that I'd love to see a thread devoted to) it is not really applicable to aylmeda's post. And that post is one of the classic ways that Creationists are dishonest. I don't believe he actually understands just how much such people are lying to him and manipulating facts to support their beliefs.

edited to split into two posts for notification purposes.

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Message 34 of 70 (110067)
05-24-2004 12:48 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by almeyda
05-23-2004 9:42 PM


Re: Classic Creationist Dishonesty.
almeyda

This is a clssic example of how the Creationist lobby is trying to lie and mislead you.

So Almeyda. If possible, can we explore that list in a little greater depth.

First, when was Darwin's Origin of the Species published?


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Message 35 of 70 (110071)
05-24-2004 1:58 AM
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05-23-2004 9:42 PM


PHYSICS - Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Kelvin

Lord Kelvin supplied a thermodynamic proof that the Earth had to be much, much older than 6,000 years. YEC was disproved by this creationist.

BIOLOGY - Ray, Linnaeus, Mendel, Pasteur, Virchow, Agassiz

These biologists all supplied the groundwork theories for evolution. Creationism was disproved by these "creationists."

GEOLOGY - Steno, Woodward, Brewster, Buckland, Cuvier

These geologists all supplied evidence that the Biblical timeframe for the Earth is in error. Despite being Christians they concluded that the Bible was not literally correct on the age of the Earth.

ASTRONOMY - Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Hershel, Maunder

Men who made it their life's work to study the stars, and in doing so, proved the Bible to be in error about them. (Seriously? You tried to pass off Copernicus and Gallileo as adherents to Church doctrine?)

Great. You've hit us with a list of people who disproved the positions of Answers in Genesis and a literal reading of the Bible. What was your point here, exacly? I can't believe that you thought these people supported your position without actually looking up there accomplishments. Duh!


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Message 36 of 70 (110101)
05-24-2004 9:04 AM
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05-24-2004 1:58 AM


And let us not forget that Newton was a unitarian...
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Message 37 of 70 (110188)
05-24-2004 3:47 PM
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05-23-2004 11:35 PM


What are you talking about? Sure, there are hitches and problems along the way, itís hard to get into space, but the ISS is still there, and can be accessed by Soyuz capsules, and things keep getting more advanced. There are still astronauts who live orbiting the Earth, people have landed on the moon, and we have sent various satellites and space probes all over the solar system. We may go to Mars and other planets someday - itís just safer, smarter, and cheaper to send unmanned probes and robots first to see if there is any good reason to send humans. They do things humans could not - why send an astronaut to get the dust from the tail of Wild 2, when you can build the Stardust space probe to do it for you?

Mir did not crash because of some sort of accident, it lasted longer than it was expected to and was left to burn up in the atmosphere on purpose. The Challenger and Columbia disasters were not caused by an angry god deciding that he was mad at us for going into space; they were caused by frozen O rings and damage from insulation falling off a fuel tank. If you have a problem with your car, do you blame that on God being mad at you, or do you blame it on human error and mechanical failure?

All I'm saying is that whether or not God cares about what we do in space, just because something bad happens, that doesn't necessarily mean the hand of God was involved.

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johnfolton 
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Message 38 of 70 (110290)
05-25-2004 1:56 AM
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05-24-2004 3:47 PM


Gary, I'm not a theologian, suspect there might be more to this verse than mets the eye, suspect we shouldn't get too puffed up, pride cometh before the fall, or something like that, heaven is God's throne, like didn't the babylonians try to build a tower to heaven and God was not pleased, wasn't there something about Petra, and in revelations 6:13, does it not mention the stars of heaven will be cast to the earth, like an untimely fig, is shaken by a mighty wind, etc...

P.S. Is not a star considered something that gives light unto the earth, and is not some satellights seen in the night sky, might these be the stars of heaven, along with space stations, that are cast down to the earth, etc...

kjv Oba 1:4 Though thou exalt [thyself] as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.


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Message 39 of 70 (110374)
05-25-2004 10:11 AM
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05-25-2004 1:56 AM


heaven is God's throne, like didn't the babylonians try to build a tower to heaven and God was not pleased

Do you really believe that the Babylonians would have succeeded in building the tower, that it would have reached beyond the atmosphere?
Furthermore, do you really think that God is floating in space? Why do we not see any images from Hubble (or other) to support this?

P.S. Is not a star considered something that gives light unto the earth, and is not some satellights seen in the night sky, might these be the stars of heaven, along with space stations, that are cast down to the earth, etc...

What are you talking about?


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Message 40 of 70 (110379)
05-25-2004 10:18 AM
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05-25-2004 1:56 AM


Wow, that's one hell of a prick you worship!

Seriously, what is it that you see being so great about this God that gets all prissy, violent and destructive when we try to better ourselves?


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Message 41 of 70 (110540)
05-26-2004 12:25 AM
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05-25-2004 10:18 AM


Satans the bad dude!

When the dragon (satan) empowers the beast, you will not have a choice to an atheists, it will be mandatory worship or death, God on the other hand gives you a free will, one wonders how the devil will monitor this mandatory worship, some think it might be the Mark of the Beast, an implanted computer chip, tied to a master computer (the beast), and if your not worshipping the devil, the computer will terminate you, cause its mandatory (kjv revelations 13:15), etc...


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Message 42 of 70 (110542)
05-26-2004 12:31 AM
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05-25-2004 10:11 AM


Jesus did say the birds of the air have nests, but the son of man has no where to lay his head, etc...

P.S. Yes, I believe Jesus is sitting at the right hand of his Father in heaven in the flesh, think it was in Luke that said he was carried up into heaven, etc...


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Message 43 of 70 (110546)
05-26-2004 12:43 AM
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05-26-2004 12:25 AM


Re: Satans the bad dude!
Yes its true. Us Bible believers and other relgions will be terminated bit by bit. Evolution has already taken our foundation. Evolution has so called "disproved" the Bible. The world seems to be heading in a social decline. Yep we are falling straight into the hands of biblical prophecy.
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Message 44 of 70 (110548)
05-26-2004 12:52 AM
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05-26-2004 12:43 AM


Re: Almeyda
Once again you are avoiding the discussion and going off into totally unrelated nonsense.

Please answer the question in Message 34


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Message 45 of 70 (110549)
05-26-2004 12:54 AM
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05-24-2004 1:58 AM


PHYSICS - But lord Kelvin discovered the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. Energy cannot be created/destroyed which disproves the big bang theory as evolution suggests. Evolutionists come up with all sorts of refutes to this but this solid argument remains hard on the origins on evolution.

BIOLOGY - What you really mean is that they supplied groundwork for biology. Not evolution. Many people here think biologists must believe in evolution or it is a necessity. But this is definately not true as they were pure God believing scientist. And today their are thousands of fully qualified biologists who disprove evolution and believe creation.


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