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coded information in DNA

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Perdition
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05-26-2009 4:41 PM 		Reply to: Message 18 by WordBeLogos
05-26-2009 4:30 PM

Since all the above are derivatives of DNA, the challenge to the naturalist is to provide a single example of coded information that occurs naturally, outside the realm of life, outside the realm of DNA. All you need is one example.
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Ok, so these "codes" are created by animals without intelligence, but are actually derived from the genome. Our intelligence is derived from the genome, our codes come from our intelligence, so our codes are derived from our genome. Thus it is up to you to provide any codes that don't arise out of a genome.
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06-03-2009 6:10 PM 		Reply to: Message 120 by WordBeLogos
06-03-2009 6:00 PM

By observation, all computer programs, all codes (TCP/IP etc.) and all symbolic communication systems outside the realm of life, (radio, tribal drum beats, thermometers etc) are all ultimately designed by conscious minds.
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If you constrain your observations to only man-made codes and communication, then you are, by definition, only going to see codes made by conscious minds.
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If you include thermometers, then you're opening a whole new can fo worms. What about a water hole that raises and lowers based on atmospheric pressure? It's sending us messages about the atmospheric pressure, but it wasn't created by a conscious mind.
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Communication is not only created by conscious minds...animals communicate. If you say that animal communication is dictated by DNA, then so is human communication, which includes all the codes we create, so it then looks like all codes are natural and none are created by an intelligence.
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Your biggest problems in this thread are conflation and misunderstanding your own definitions.
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