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Author Topic:   Were Adam and Eve homo sapiens?
Max Power
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Message 54 of 107 (408426)
07-02-2007 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by IamJoseph
07-02-2007 12:13 AM


Re: Usual Junk Assertions
This argument seems circular to me could you please explain to me how it isn't?
You argument looks like this.
Premise 1: Humans have been around for 6000 years and have accomplished moon travel and a significant increase in population.
Premise 2: It doesn't look like the things that are happening now happened 54,000 years ago.
Conclusion: Humans have only been around for 6000 years.
Do you see how the start of your premise "humans have been around for 6000 years" looks a lot like the conclusion to you argument "humans have been around for 6000 years?"
What I see is.
Humans have been around for hundreds of thousands of years (we come to this conclusion due to many independent scientific studies spanning many different fields) and it has taken all of that time to get people to the moon.

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Max Power
Member (Idle past 6034 days)
Posts: 32
From: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Joined: 06-03-2005


Message 89 of 107 (408853)
07-05-2007 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by IamJoseph
07-03-2007 4:35 AM


Re: Usual Junk Assertions
The point of humans is misleading here: better we apply the term, speech endowed life form - which is what genesis refers to, and the factor which separates modern humans from all other life forms. The 6000 figure does not apply to any other life forms.
So you are defining humans as those who were around 6000 years ago, then concluding that humans have been around for 6000 years.
I am arguing that it has taken hundreds of thousands of years for humans to get to the point (physically and socially) where humans were 6000 years ago.
Your only evidence that humans came into existence 6000 years ago is that thats when we started writing stuff such that modern humans can read it (stone/continually rewriting/etc).
Speech endowed life forms align with what we see of modern humans within the last 6000 phase: pyramids, writings, wars, nations, names and dates - and there is no 'history' prior to the 6000.
Will you agree with me that it takes a lot more than just the ability to communicate to have pyramids, writings etc? A civilization where every member has to work all day long in order to get the food they need to survive probably can't build pyramids. They probably won't be too concerned about developing a written language when they don't have the time, nor need to read or write.
You seem to be assuming that once a being can speak that the ability and desire to write are going to happen at the same time. This is why others have cited the development of the larynx and the 40,000 plus year history of human speech.

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