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Author | Topic: why did an evolved life-form invent "god"? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
joz Inactive Member |
quote: Because about 90% of humanity takes some sort of perverse pleasure in delusional beliefs.....
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Number_ 19 Inactive Member |
First question is an easy answer.Human have always wanted more...more life more food ect.this is why they would make up a belief system that supported their own views in an attempt to brainwash early people.Which may have succeded in your case!
The second,we did'nt write yet. The third,look at the first answer.
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John Inactive Member |
For what it is worth, I didn't call tomwillrep a racist. I don't think he is. I said the comment he made was racist. It was. Pick up a pro-racism tract, and you'll find the statement he made or a very close relative of it. You can go back a hundred and fifty years and more and find the same idea used to support racism. It was harsh. Sorry.
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hollygolightly Inactive Member |
I have to agree with John, the comment was a racist comment. I was just researching this very topic for the last 2 days and to suppose that people still in Africa would be closer to an ape culture than people anywhere else in the world is racist. However, I don't think the comment was "intended" to be racist, I think it's a sincere misunderstanding of the issue of "time". At least, I hope so.
Anyway, I'm new here so don't come down too hard on me just yet. I've been reading the forums for a few days now, want to thank all of those arguing for evolution for making science a little easier for me to grasp. Although I am a big believer in science I'm slow to understand it, so don't always feel your "preaching to the deaf", I, for one, am learning. 'Course, I already am an atheist and an evolutionist, just now I understand the mechanisms of those beliefs better. Melissa
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Autocatalysis Inactive Member |
Don’t believe in evolution before you understand it! It might seem wise to have faith in the plethora of scientists, which concur on a subject. But you must exercise your critical judgement in all aspects of scientific inquiry.
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hollygolightly Inactive Member |
My statement was that I did not understand *all* of science, that I have a hard time grasping *some* of the *details*. I was raised Lutheran, was a literal "Jesus Freak" in my latter high school years, shortly afterwards (after having read the bible, no less) converted to wicca for just over 10 years. I have done much research on both religion and science and my conclusion and beliefs are that there is no god whatsoever and science is far more accurate than religion. I understand enough of science and evolution to believe in it, I was just impressed with the "fine tuning" that was put to it that made me able to grasp some of the finer details that escaped me when reading dry, technical books about science.
For example, one thing that took me a long time to grasp was the idea of "color". As explained in all the science terminology and such I was at a loss, I didn't grasp the concept until it was explained to me in the simple term that the "color" the object "doesn't like" is "pushed out" and therefore that is the color we see. Now, having it explained to me that way, I was suddenly able to go back over the more "technical" explanations and finally *fully* understand it. Melissa
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Autocatalysis Inactive Member |
My point is that the terms, faith and belief, are not really appropriate in science. Unless your studying psychology, LOL. Creationists argue that evolution is a theology. Its not. To be fair, I think and empirical observation can only impart truth within the paradigm of inquiry. Some will disagree with me, but I see this as a major hurdle in scientific reasoning.
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hollygolightly Inactive Member |
Okay, I understand what you're saying, but I didn't say I had faith in anything, as a matter of fact I don't have faith in anything. I did say the word "believe", and in looking up the definition, just to be clear, I will concede your point, although there are actual "facts" within sciences. I work in the medical field, and I have a chronic disease, so most of my science is more fine-tuned in that area than any other, and even then I admit it is still very limited when considering how vast an area this is, but there are certain "facts" within that science.
Which side are you coming from, evolution or creation? I've caught a few other posts of yours, and I'm inclined to think you're an evolutionist. In reading some of the forums on here where it seems a lot of the creationists will not even remotely listen to or try to grasp even the basics of science, I would think that someone admitting they wanted to learn and understand more would be a breath of fresh air. lol. I guess I'm starting off on the wrong foot here. Let me say this, I'm not an idiot. I do understand a lot about science, I'd even go as far as saying I probably understand more than would be expected of someone who doesn't technically study science for a living. I can definitely carry on a pretty good discussion/debate about science, but I will also readily admit when I get "lost", and ask for more information/clarification. As stated elsewhere on this website "no one knows everything", I'm simply trying to learn more, but from what I've seen evolution is winning over creationism in my book. And just one more thing, if my previous "example" gave you the idea that I'm stupid about science, that incident was *years* ago, in high school as a matter of fact. I didn't just figure that one out yesterday. It just always stuck with me as one of those "and the lightbulb lights up" moments. Melissa
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Andya Primanda Inactive Member |
quote: Gee, nice quote man! I've come across some people who were already convinced that evolution is right and then does not bother to check the facts. Usually then they promote some kind of teleological evolution...
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Autocatalysis Inactive Member |
Owww, look I don’t think your and idiot! Nothing in your posts would lean me to that conclusion. I wasn’t trying to be hostile, people here are generally very tolerant and considerate but they want a debate! I wouldn’t be here if I thought I knew it all!
My personal views on creation are that YEC is both anti god (not their god obviously, but a Christian god) and anti science. Though I am an atheist. What creationists lack in logic they makeup in faith. You can’t change someone’s mind who has faith, what logic you tell them is a lie and always will be. I am not here to pull people away from YEC, but rather to learn how people can hold a point of view, which is so difficult to sustain.
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hollygolightly Inactive Member |
Autocatalysis~
I didn't mean to sound hostile either, I apologize if I did. I agree with your previous post. It's kind of hard to get "emotions and tones" through the 'Net, and I admit I can be a little "touchy" at times, it has to do with having agoraphobia, I apologize. Also, I've been lurking a few days now and I am well aware not to get involved in debating a topic unless I am quite knowledgable in said topic. As an aside, it's interesting how I even ended up on this site. I was actually trying to look up the production cost of insulin, which led to a site called "things creationists hate" (which included insulin) and that led to this site. All of my 'Net searches end up totally off the original subject. Alas, it's late and I need sleep. G'night all.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
I am well aware not to get involved in debating a topic unless I am quite knowledgable in said topic. I don't think that means you have to just lurk. I think it just means you have to be careful in the approach you choose when posting. There is nothing wrong with asking honest questions to get something clarified if someone says something you don't understand. There is also nothing wrong with saying what you think you already know or have heard somewhere. You just shouldn't be too dogmatic about it until you've gathered a bit more information. Heck, I post stuff all the time when I'm only partially informed on the topic. I think there would be a very much smaller number of posts if only those who really knew something about the topic posted. LOL You may have seen some somewhat annoyed reactions to postings by those who display (proudly even) ignorance and dogmatism at the same time.
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contracycle Inactive Member |
I echo Ned's sentiments.
In fact, I would go so far as to say, that science should be able to handle all comers gladly. We are confident in our methods, in our evidences, and mostly in our conclusions. We don;t need to be setting barriers for people BEFORE they join the debate; we can and should rely on our position to the carry the argument. All that said, however, theists are on shaky ground asserting the science is equvalent to religion, and that claim can be rejected and indeed scorned, IMO.
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nator Member (Idle past 2192 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Hoooray!! Another woman!
Hi Melissa, glad to have you aboard. Allison
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Peter Member (Idle past 1501 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
quote: I don't think a comment can be racist unless it is intendedto be.
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