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Looks like you are making a good start. Fortunately, as with learning, there is no end-point.Keep working on your project and refining it as you go along. As you are learning, there really isn't much of a conflict between science and Christianity except where the Christians try to limit access to information and quite frankly, lie to their flock.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Why? Just because the Biblical Creationists assert there is such a list?They lie about everything else so why would you expect them to be any more honest about "the List"?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

If you actually read the press releases (and that's all they are) it is really a non-issue.What the articles allege Dr. Schwartz says is that missing links are not needed. He is not questioning the mechanism as much as how it shows in the record.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Yup.I could not see how the writer got the headlines out of the content but that is not unusual. The point is that you always need to read beyond the headline.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

See Message 16. Nope. The mechanism is still the same. The only difference is how the critters would appear in the fossil record. Old Earth Creationism or any form of ID, Special Creation, Directed Creation is still simply material for creative fiction and of course, the opportunity to get gullible Christians to send more money.In his scenario the mutations happen just as in all the other scenarios, they simply lie dormant for sometime before being expressed.But from the press releases you quoted, he shows no mechanism or model for his assertion so other than saying "Sure, anything is possible" there is not much that can be done.There are other problems such as: Well, in the case of eyes as one example we can look around and see all of the thousands of different precursors. We can see everything from the very simple light sensitivity of plants through to complex compound eyes. We can look at fossil critters like the trilobite eyes where three different types of eyes and serveral different arrangements happened over time. We can look at the modern box jellyfish that has several types of eyes from simple light sensitive spots to camera type eyes.We can see the same thing when we look around at mammary glands. Again, we can see all the different steps necessary out there in the world today, from where milk simply seeps through patches of skin to full blown breasts.So the two examples mentioned in the linked article simply don't stand up to even a cursory examination.The feeling is that I have to wonder if the news articles actually reflect what he believes of if they simply were catering to sensationalism.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

LOL.If so he is simply wrong. LOL.If so he is simply wrong.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You'd lose.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You cannot point to the soul because there is no evidence it exists, and should it exist, by definition is is neither natural, dependent on life or part of the body. By definition the soul is that which continues on after death, so it is not part of anything that gets left behind.The soul is simply a matter of Faith. It can ONLY be something someone believes in.

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You said Evolutionist. Nor is it automatically denied by a natural view of evolution.You are still conflating two areas, the physical and spiritual. In Message 34 you said: in response to bluegenes who said:

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I'm not religious myself, but there are some religious people using this site who are firm supporters of naturalistic evolution, and also, I assume, firm believers in the human soul, and I'm sure they'd back me up on this.

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This is on topic because it directly relates to your table.I believe in a purely natural evolution.I believe in a soul.I believe "Man, by his very nature, is an evolved animal, with a soul."

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The soul did not evolve. It is totally unrelated.There is no connection or relationship between "soul" and "evolution".The Theory of Evolution, describes the totally natural explanation for the life we see around us, and what we see evidenced in the past.Soul though is simply a belief. There is no way to test or examine such a critter just as there is no way to test GOD. There is no difference between Evolution as understood by an Atheist and Evolution as understood by a Theist Evolutionist. Everything we can see, test, examine, model, is the same.Soul though moves into the realm of belief. It is not subject to testing, examination or modeling. It can never be more than a belief while we live. Perhaps, once we die we MAY get an absolute answer but ONLY if the soul really does exist. That of course is irrelevant and totally off topic, but if you had bothered to read the links I provided for you, I believe you would find that my beliefs are very much grounded in reason and scripture. The point bluegenes was trying to make, and I am trying to explain, is that there is no difference in the Evolution mechanism of a Theistic Evolutionist and a Naturalistic Evolutionist. As a Theistic Evolutionist I agree completely with Evolution as described by Naturalistic Evolution.The Theory of Evolution does not deal with soul. It does not deny the existence of a soul, or even propose a soul.Soul is a matter of belief UNRELATED to the question of whether or not Evolution happened.If I am having a discussion about evolution with an Atheist about evolution, any differences we might have will be related to the evidence. The existence or non-existence of a soul would never even come up.

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Why.It does not preclude God or Gods, Angels or Pink Unicorns. All a Naturalistic Approach to Evolution does is say that those things cannot be tested for and so if they exist, they are not Natural.Stop for a second and think about the implications of what you are saying.None of the position postulate a soul that can be examined scientifically. Not one of them.How is Naturalistic Evolution any different?How does a YEC trot out a soul for scientific examination?How does a OEC trot out a soul for scientific examination?How does a TE trot out a soul for scientific examination?

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