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Author Topic:   The Gory Details of 'Miracles'
RickJB
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Message 36 of 123 (374054)
01-03-2007 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Hyroglyphx
01-03-2007 3:09 PM


Re: Miraculous miracles
NJ writes:
This is remarkable. You can tell that her caretakers gave her light blush and lipstick and painted her nails, but you can see that she has not decayed.
Apparently the face is a wax mask that was added in 1925. Underneath that she ain't going to be looking too pretty.
The hands also appear to be a bowl-shaped wax covering....
Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.

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RickJB
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Message 39 of 123 (374314)
01-04-2007 4:01 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by anastasia
01-03-2007 4:06 PM


Re: Miraculous miracles
anastasia writes:
So, they put wax over top of her face and hands. I am not sure if it was cosmetic or to prevent more discoloration.
They placed wax masks over her face and hands, not cosmetics.
The face and hands you see in the photo are light wax sculptures, like what you would see at Madame Tussauds.

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RickJB
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Message 44 of 123 (374372)
01-04-2007 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Archer Opteryx
01-04-2007 10:26 AM


Re: Miraculous miracles
Archer writes:
I'm afraid you mis-took the use of the word. She used the adjective, which has to do with purpose, rather than the noun, which has to do with Maybelline. The purpose of the wax is cosmetic if it helps the surface look better, preservative if forestalls further damage.
Obviously, but I still think Anastasia has cosmetics in mind, not full masks...

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RickJB
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Message 45 of 123 (374374)
01-04-2007 12:10 PM
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01-04-2007 11:29 AM


Re: Miraculous miracles
Anastasia writes:
Also, would covering a body with wax and putting it under glass keep it intact for any number of years? and if so, why is this not a common practice for funeral homes etc?
Just to clear this up, are you talking about a layer of wax cosmetics over the skin, or a fully-sculpted mask?
As far as I'm aware St Bernadette's entire "face" as we now see it is a sculpture made in wax.
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RickJB
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Message 73 of 123 (374643)
01-05-2007 5:08 AM
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01-04-2007 7:54 PM


Re: Miraculous miracles
NJ writes:
At the same time, if she really was rotting away underneath the layer of wax, I assume a layer of glycerin would seep through after the cells die.
I don't think the mask is applied directly to the skin. I think it's a fully shaped sculpture that just sits over it like the egyptians used to use. Underneath she will likely have a face not unlike that of other mummified bodies - blackened skin, shrunken eye sockets and nose.
If cosmetic was applied directly to the skin only she would look like a mummy with blusher on!

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