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Author Topic:   What we must accept if we accept evolution Part 2
iamaelephant
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Message 86 of 301 (282772)
01-31-2006 1:08 AM


Faith, what is it exactly that makes you think your biblical God is so loving and not evil? He/she created a universe that was perfect (from what I have read) and then when man sinned against him he introduced death, disease and suffering, evidently as a punishment. Seems to me he is an angry and vengeful God, not an all loving God.
You say the only God that is compatible with the ToE is an evil or ignorant God. Seems to me your biblical God fits the bill perfectly.

iamaelephant
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Message 140 of 301 (282970)
01-31-2006 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Faith
01-31-2006 5:55 PM


Re: robinrohan once again makes unsupported assertions.
What makes you think you are the only person here who has a proper grasp of the logic? Let's have a look at some of your logic;
Premise 1
The universe was created by an all-loving, omniscient, omnipotent God who is incapable of creating a universe with death, disease and suffering
Premise 2
We live in a universe with death, disease and suffering
Conclusion
Well It's fairly self explanatory, but I'll say it anyway. You claim your God is incompatable with the theory of evolution. I say your God is incompatible with reality. We live in a world where people die and people suffer. Either your God created this world, or this world doesn't exist.
Premise 1
Death and suffering are the results of sin, not of God
Premise 2
God writes the rules. God is omniscient and omnipotent. God is in charge. God knew the consequences yet he lit the fuse to let it happen
Conclusion
God intended a world with death and suffering, as he knew it would happen.
I could go on forever, but frankly I don't see the point. In the latter half of this thread you have done nothing to argue your point against people who contradict your view, resorting instead to glib remarks and spamming you opinion relentlessly without any refutation or new material.

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iamaelephant
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Message 149 of 301 (283000)
01-31-2006 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by iano
01-31-2006 8:45 PM


Re: robinrohan once again makes unsupported assertions.
Maybe you should ready exactly what I said to Faith - I in no way attacked her personally, but attacked the method she used to argue her case - in this instance, there was no argument. Faiths points have been refuted yet she refuses to either accept that she has been shown to be using false logic or to adjust her arguments accordingly. I did exactly what you said I should do - I attacked her argument (or rather, her method of arguing), but certainly not Faith herself.
I also don't appreciate the fact that just because I'm a new user people like you don't think I have the same rights as anyone here to voice my opinions in a debate on a public forum. Not that it's worth saying it here, but I have been reading these forums for quite some time and decided only recently that it was about time to start contributing. Does this really make my opinions less valid?

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iamaelephant
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Message 153 of 301 (283005)
01-31-2006 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Jazzns
01-31-2006 9:30 PM


Re: Welcome
Thanks mate, I appreciate the support Of course, the last thing I want to do is make enemies on this forum, so if I'm stepping on anyone's toes I do appreciate it when someone pulls me up on it.

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