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justdana
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Message 31 of 99 (15868)
08-21-2002 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Minnemooseus
03-22-2002 12:47 AM


Messages 31, 32, and 33 duplicated message 30.

I am substituting this message for #31, and will delete 32 and 33 entirely.

I THINK THIS HAPPENS WHEN THE AUTHOR CLICKS ON THE "SUBMIT" BUTTON, AND THE SEEMINGLY NOTHING HAPPENS. THEN REPEATED CLICKS RESULT IN DUPLICATE MESSAGES. THE MORAL: ONE CLICK ON "SUBMIT" WILL DO THE JOB, EVEN IF IT DOES TAKE A WHILE.

Regards,
Adminnemooseus

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Minnemooseus
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Message 34 of 99 (15876)
08-21-2002 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by justdana
08-21-2002 7:13 PM


Message 30 was posted as a reply to me, although I suspect it was intended to be a reply to the nay-sayers in general.

Personally, I dare say that I have probably explored a greater range of music than anyone else involved in this forum.

I have, in the past, music programmed and dj'ed at a very eclectic public radio station. There I explored and aired most every variety of music, that I could lay my hands on. This included classical, jazz, blues, rock, world beat, folk, and even various avant gard.

I have come to be very instramentally oriented. In judging the quality of a piece of music, I tend to consciously or subconsciously strip the vocals off, a judge what is behind the singing.

There are great lyric writers, and lyrics that I truely love, but in general I look more for voices with interesting tones and much as for great lyrical content.

I am much into non-vocal forms of music, and generally have little personal use for much of what falls into the "singer-songwritter" movement.

From what little I have listened to contemporary Christian radio, I have heard too much bland music, with bland singing.

Enough for now,
Moose

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BS degree, geology, '83
Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe


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Conspirator
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Message 35 of 99 (16037)
08-24-2002 2:26 PM


The music isn't bad, it's just your opinion like I'm telling you mine right now, but in all honesty, christian music is NOT bad.
  
justdana
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Message 36 of 99 (16038)
08-24-2002 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by nator
03-17-2002 8:00 AM


May I please assume that you're not looking to listen to Christian music on a day-to-day basis? I consider Nichole Nordeman very creative aside from a Stevie Wonder remake, but who doesn't remake songs? I think you might be pleased with her music, but I only said "might". I don't know your taste in music... Other creative songwriters/musicians, to me: Cindy Morgan, Chris Rice and Dc Talk.
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justdana
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Message 37 of 99 (16039)
08-24-2002 3:20 PM
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03-17-2002 8:00 AM


May I please assume that you're not looking to listen to Christian music on a day-to-day basis? I consider Nichole Nordeman very creative aside from a Stevie Wonder remake, but who doesn't remake songs? I think you might be pleased with her music, but I only said "might". I don't know your taste in music... Other creative songwriters/musicians, to me: Cindy Morgan, Chris Rice and Dc Talk.
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justdana
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Message 38 of 99 (16040)
08-24-2002 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by nator
03-18-2002 7:10 AM


May I please assume that you're not looking to listen to Christian music on a day-to-day basis? I consider Nichole Nordeman very creative aside from a Stevie Wonder remake, but who doesn't remake songs? I think you might be pleased with her music, but I only said "might". I don't know your taste in music... Other creative songwriters/musicians, to me: Cindy Morgan, Chris Rice and Dc Talk.
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nator
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Message 39 of 99 (16237)
08-29-2002 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by justdana
08-24-2002 3:22 PM


quote:
Originally posted by justdana:
May I please assume that you're not looking to listen to Christian music on a day-to-day basis? I consider Nichole Nordeman very creative aside from a Stevie Wonder remake, but who doesn't remake songs? I think you might be pleased with her music, but I only said "might". I don't know your taste in music... Other creative songwriters/musicians, to me: Cindy Morgan, Chris Rice and Dc Talk.

You would be correct that I do not listen to christian music on a day to day basis.

Then again, I do not listen to popular music at all on a day to day basis.

I find it bland and boring and corporate. Since the Christian music that I have heard tends to be trying hard to be inoffensive and "nice", I find it boring. I don't think "nice" is always bad, but I don't think every painting in the museum should be of verdant fields and vases of flowers, either. Art isn't always "nice."

Some favorites (and I will date myself, I'm sure):

Ani DiFranco
Gypsy Kings
The Police
Nirvana
Dar Williams
Peter Gabriel
Miles Davis
Django Reinhart
The Pixies
Shawn Colvin
Hun Hur Tu
Kate Bush


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Philip
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Message 40 of 99 (17330)
09-13-2002 2:46 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by nator
08-29-2002 10:33 AM


Wow, Shraf, you have quite a collection, in light of our music discussions of past.

While I play only hymns (guitar and piano) which are exceedingly intriguing to me (especially ancients like Luther's "A Mighty Fortress"), and a few of my own songs; hymns don't always do on the road, when the flesh is weak; then I resort to:

Specific oldies: ELO, Madonna, Barry Manlow, Mike and Mechanics, and many other oldies.

It's as if I MUST have both worlds of music.

Philip


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acmhttu001_2006
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Message 41 of 99 (17414)
09-14-2002 2:37 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Mister Pamboli
03-17-2002 4:36 AM


I loved this post. I agree with it whole-heartedly. I am a piano and vocal performance major, and sad to say I perfer clasical music rather than to Christain music. Classical touches me more than Christian does. Classical seems to embody all of my emotion, all of the songs in piano - you get to intrepret them, you get to live the experience of hearing the music the way you want to. Or rather you hear it pure - with no words to lure you away from the music itself.

I believe that Christain music is bland, is becuase it is copying other genres of music. We have already heard most of the styles and the methods of how they put that music together, therefore it is boring becuase we are over the thrill of hearing that particular method for the first time.

The music needs somone creative.

This is also written in response to Message I.

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Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day


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acmhttu001_2006
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Message 42 of 99 (17415)
09-14-2002 2:42 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by nator
03-23-2002 7:32 AM


Yes, some pieces were written at the request of rich patrons. But think of the whole picture. The composers also wrote many things that mean significant things to them or things that they have enjoyed. And it is these pieces that we classical people or people who are attuned to classical music remember very fondly.

I think you have to look at the whole picture before you can say they were in it for the money. Becuase some of the less famous pieces have been so much fun for me to prepare and to perform, and a couple of those pieces hold fond memories. Even though they were not as famous, I believed that the composers lived up to their art, becuase the pieces have touched lives in ways that they could not have imagined.


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acmhttu001_2006
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Message 43 of 99 (17416)
09-14-2002 2:43 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Jonathan
07-25-2002 12:16 AM


Laugh out Loud on this post. I would agree with you on this one.
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acmhttu001_2006
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Message 44 of 99 (17417)
09-14-2002 2:46 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Minnemooseus
08-21-2002 9:44 PM


Sorry got into this topic a little late.

What instruments? I am glad to have found someone else who has explored music as much as I have.

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Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day


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Minnemooseus
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Message 45 of 99 (17819)
09-20-2002 1:09 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by nator
08-29-2002 10:33 AM


quote:
Ani DiFranco, Gypsy Kings, The Police, Nirvana, Dar Williams, Peter Gabriel, Miles Davis, Django Reinhart, The Pixies, Shawn Colvin
Hun Hur Tu, Kate Bush

Ani - I haven't followed her studio stuff much, but her live "Living in Clip" is quite important to me. Pretty much her guitar, bass, drums trio. She has a new live one out, "So Much Shouting / So Much Laughter", which may be a little more subdued (on the Ani "spunk to burn" scale). Has trumpets and piano also - kinda jazzy at times - also strongly recommended.

Also have a bit of Nirvana, Peter Gabriel, The Pixies, Shawn Colvin, two Hun Hur Tu, and most of Kate Bush's output. Have heard little or none of Kates newest (I think there's supposed to be one out). Have a hord of Miles Davis (C. 60 lp's, bunch of cd's).

For whatever it's worth, my homepage (music oriented, "The Sludge Puppy Files") is:
http://www.lakenet.com/~mnmoose/

The "Desert Island Discs" index page:
http://www.lakenet.com/~mnmoose/did_main.htm
Maybe some people here would like to submit their 30 picks?
(if so, send to mnmoose@lakenet.com)

The playlists of my most recent radio programs:
http://www.lakenet.com/~mnmoose/cosmic.htm

May be doing radio again, starting later this month (at a different station).

Also other stuff there.

Moose


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berberry
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Message 46 of 99 (90440)
03-05-2004 2:43 AM


I agree that great music comes from struggle, not contentedness. To my mind, Contemporary Christian is, except for the lyrics, almost identical to Adult Contemporary. With few exceptions (Lulu Roman Smith comes to mind), it is boring in the extreme.

In the history of Christian Rock, I can only think of two songs that are in any way memorable: Norman Greenbaum's Spirit In The Sky and Switchfoot's Meant To Live.

Likewise, there have been a few Christian songs from secular artists that are quite beautiful, like Judy Collins' Amazing Grace (among other secular versions of this song) or the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band's version of Will The Circle Be Unbroken?

For some reason, I find myself wanting to mention Lucinda Williams' marvelous Get Right With God, but I'm not sure I'd call that a Christian song. I don't know what Lucinda's intent was, but the song seems to be a friendly spoof of June Carter Cash.

I have yet to hear any example of White Southern Gospel music that was listenable, with the possible exception of one or two songs by the aforementioned JCC. Black Gospel is a completely different story. One of my favorites is from the summer of love (1968) and was a moderate hit on pop radio: The Edwin Hawkins Singers' Oh, Happy Day. Even the most jaded athiest would be hard pressed to sit still while that song plays. It is absolute magic!


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berberry
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Message 47 of 99 (90827)
03-06-2004 3:59 PM
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03-05-2004 2:43 AM


How could I forget The Mighty Clouds of Joy?
I don't know how The Mighty Clouds of Joy slipped my mind when I wrote that last post. In the 60s and early 70s this group made some of the best modern gospel music that has ever been recorded. I think it was the Clouds who first infused black spiritual music with modern soul and funk elements; they in fact made quite an impact on the secular urban scene.

Listen to the Clouds music from the 60s and then listen to some Al Green, Marvin Gaye or Stevie Wonder music from the 70s and you'll see the influence clearly.

Listening to the Clouds (at least their 60s output) is indeed a joy, but watching them is an even greater treat. They wear color coordinated outfits and move around in very dramatic dance motions, much like the Pips did with Gladys Knight. In fact, I imagine that the Pips got many of their ideas from the Clouds.

I might never have encountered the Clouds had it not been that, when I was a kid, my family's maid was a huge Clouds fan and would sometimes bring her records over to play while she worked. I fell in love with them and a few others that she liked, including the Edwin Hawkins Singers as I mentioned earlier.


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