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Originally posted by rsmith57asdf:
I think that MOST of the people that dont believe in evolution are too stupid or not smart enough to comprehend the idea. I have seen the skulls of the many different human ape species. That is physical tangible proof.
I have heard of all the different gods. Where are they at? I have never seen them. They kinda remind me of Santa Clause or the Tooth Fairy. I was too stupid or not smart enough when I believed in them....

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JM: Hmm, ok I'll bite. Where have you seen 1/2 ape 1/2 human skulls? One hint: It's ok to challenge creationists to think about things, but you should not make proclamations that are false to uphold your own views. Just so you know, I am an evolutionist and I agree that young earth creationism holds no water, but bring it down a notch!CheersJoe Meert

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Originally posted by Robert:
Greetings Moose!

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I am glad to hear that you are a trained geologist and that you are a professor of Geology. In reading your answers it seems that you are already biased in favor of evolution, but I will ply you with a question nonetheless.

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Here is a link: www.trueorigin.org/geocolumn.asp to an article by John Woodmorappe entitled, "The Geologic Column: Does it exist?" If what the article says is truen, then one would have to conclude that the "geologic column" is not a fact of science but a speculation or interpretation of the geologic data.

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I understand that you have both a personal and a professional stake in the factual nature of the geologic column, but I would like to know your thoughts on the article anyway.

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Robert

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JM: How interesting that you bring Woodmorappe (aka Jan PEczkis) to the table. This is the same person who writes evolutionary old earth articles (as Jan Peczkis) and young earth creationist articles (under a pen name John Woodmorrappe). I am convinced that Jan really is a young earther, but I am still puzzled by his professional publication in J. Vert Paleo that clearly is an old earth evolutionary stance..
On to his comments on the geologic column. Woody is making a series of absurd claims. I discuss Woody's attempt to discredit the geologic column here http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/jmeert/paleosol.htmCheersJoe Meert

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This always tends to pop up as one of the best potential falsifications of evolution. However, it is very possible for Creation to be true, and also no human remains in lower strata.

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JM: Sure, there would be, but it's not just humans. It's the fact that there are no trilobites in with humans. It's the fact that there are no Ediacaran fauna found with ammonites. It's the fact that there are no dinosaurs found with giant sloth and on and on. It leads to the very real conclusion that creationists have no explanation for why a flood would sort the dead so uniformly around the globe (that and the fact that NO CREATIONIST has bothered to identify the global type section for the flood.

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Yes, but is there any evidence that would convince you? I can't think of any evidence that could be found that would falsify the uniformitaranian concept.

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JM: Of course there is. You could start (an excellent start) with identifying the strata globally which marks the onset of the Noachian flood. You can then indentify the strata marking the end of the global flood and you can tell us what strata are 'intra-flood'. I would expect that these flood strata would not have any paleosols contained within them, wouldn't you?CheersJoe Meert