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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote:This is precisely my intended point. I apologize if I wasn't clear.
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zephyr Member (Idle past 4577 days) Posts: 821 From: FOB Taji, Iraq Joined: |
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http://EvC Forum: How old are you? -->EvC Forum: How old are you? Since it's come up in the last few posts, I refer you to a recent catalog of the ages of active posters.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
quote: I've never said Muslims, perse, are a dangerous people. My statements and quotes were to show that the prophet himself practiced violence against "infidels" and taught that his followers should also make violent war against same. Nothing in the Bible teaches that we Christians should do violence to anyone.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
quote: No, that's not so. I've got my threads confused, and I apologize for that. Your insults were in another thread. I'm willing to address your posts anytime, so long as you act civil towards me. Your list of Bible quotes in no way admonished Christians to do violence to anyone. They were for a specific nation at a specific time in history. Not so with my quotes from the Quran. They apply to the here and now, as demonstrated by the most devout Muslims who are willing to pay the price and as appied to the bussed in terrorists in the Nigerian riots.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
quote: You're right I should have done that. The following link is the one I read:Despite being rated as one of the poorest countries in the world, a new study of more than 65 countries published in the United Kingdom's New Scientist magazine suggests that the happiest people in the world live in Nigeria - and the least happy, in Romania.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
This is very unfortunate. What you have posted is a popular news bureau's reference (without direct quotes ) to a secondary source discussing the original material.
If what I found is the original material then my guess is that New Scientist has Nigeria happiest on *a per GNP basis*. This is what I see in the graph I found. The "per GNP" got lost in the shuffle somehow. When there is controversy Buz, or you don't accept the results of work of this type. It is important to get back to the original material and understand it. It is not a good idea to hop on something that is twice removed from the original. I still don't know if I've gotten to the right source but what I did find gives an interpretation that is more believable for all of us I think. And the Nigerians are still pretty happy by the results shown. What I haven't dug into is what "happy" means in this context.
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Andya Primanda Inactive Member |
quote: ...and I suppose those 'violence' quotes Schraf posted are not from your Bible? Prophet Muhammad did lead wars during his life, but the earlier ones were self-defense (repelling attacks from Makkah pagans) and none as agression. The later wars were expansionistic, but these happened because the first Muslims want to liberate themselves from the Roman and Persian hegemony. Violence without reason is forbidden in Islam and the religious penalty for such offenses are severe.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Please read this
Mahathir calls for peaceful Islam
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
If what I found is the original material then my guess is that New
quote: The report was on pretty much all the major networks, all reporting it about the same. I think it came to my attention originally via one of these networks. Let us know what you find.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
quote: But which of Schraf's Biblical quotes instructs anyone other than a designated unique ancient nation to kill anyone? Which of these allow for Christians to persecute, enslave or kill anyone, including people who Jesus or Christians consider as "infidels?"
quote: Before Muhammed there were over 200 pagan deities worshipped at Mecca. After Muhammed there was one deity, Muhammed's god, Allah worshipped at Mecca. Does this tell you anything as to why the pagans resisted Muhammed? According to my Encyclopedia Britannica and other reliable sources, Mohammed had all the men (hundreds) in one Jewish village beheaded who had surrendered and carried off the women and children for the slave trade. Are you aware of this or can you refute it?
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Andya Primanda Inactive Member |
quote: The Prophet was chased out of Makkah by the pagans. The pagans also tortured early Muslims. And the first war in his time, the Badr war, was provoked by Makkah pagans who was jealous of the Madinah state. The second war, the Uhud war, was also a pagan attack to Madinah. Then the pagans blockaded Madinah. These events would have make life miserable for the Prophet and his followers, yet when they eventually got the upper hand and marched to conquer Makkah, Prophet Muhammad ordered to spare the pagans. The only victims in the conquest of Makkah was the pagan statues, destroyed like Prophet Ibrahim did earlier. Here's a link to a 'sirah' (history) of Prophet Muhammad's life. quote: This following article may refute it. Some quotes:
IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT at the advent of Islam there were three Jewish tribes who lived in Yathrib (later Medina), as well as other Jewish settlements further to the north, the most important of which were Khaybar and Fadak. It is also generally accepted that at first the Prophet Muhammad hoped that the Jews of Yathrib, as followers of a divine religion, would show understanding of the new monotheistic religion, Islam. However, as soon as these tribes realized that Islam was being firmly established and gaining power, they adopted an actively hostile attitude, and the final result of the struggle was the disappearance of these Jewish communities from Arabia proper. ... On examination, details of the story can he challenged. It can be demonstrated that the assertion that 600 or 800 or 900 men of Banu Qurayza were put to death in cold blood can not be true; that it is a later invention; and that it has its source in Jewish traditions. Indeed the source of the details in earlier Jewish history can be pointed out with surprising accuracy. ... So then the real source of this unacceptable story of slaughter was the descendants of the Jews of Medina, from whom Ibn Ishaq took these "odd tales". For doing so Ibn Ishaq was severely criticized by other scholars and historians and was called by Malik an impostor. The sources of the story are, therefore, extremely doubtful and the details are diametrically opposed to the spirit of Islam and the rules of the Qur'an to make the story credible. Credible authority is lacking, and circumstantial evidence does not support it. This means that the story is more than doubtful. Original article title:Ahmad, Barakat. 1976. Did Prophet Muhammad ordered 900 Jews killed? Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland pp. 100-107. [edit to add article title] [This message has been edited by Andya Primanda, 10-11-2003]
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
Buz, I hope you don't take the fact that it was on "all the major networks" as being independant corroboration of the material. This is almost always the case. My guess is that they were all lifting from the New Scientists article or a single science writer who supplied it on a wire service. It doesn't matter how many times something is repeated, it can still be wrong. That is why it is necessary to go back to the sources.
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Maybe you read a different Bible than everybody else? Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.--2 Chron: 15:13 (There's more where this came from, but it is the most blatant directive I could find.) [This message has been edited by schrafinator, 10-11-2003]
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Buz, what about the century-long reign of terror that white Christian racists, including the Klu Klux Klan, inflicted upon the South? Even before that, the Bible was used as justification for the owning of human beings as slaves in our country. What about the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, the murders of gynocologists, Eric Rudolph (a member of a nutso Christian group and the Olympic Park Bomber who hid out in the NC woods for years), etc. The Bible was used as justification to terrorize and murder untold numbers of people over the centuries. Most of the current extreme right-wing extremist groups in the US identify, some quite strongly, as Christian groups. You just seem to be utterly and completely blind to this reality in your own religion while seeing nothing but the equivalent side to Islam.
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AdminAsgara Administrator (Idle past 2329 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: |
Ned seems to be attempting to keep this thread on the topic of the happiness study. Maybe the comments comparing Islam to Christianity could be moved to a new thread?
If everyone is finished with the happiness thread, let me know and I'll close this one down. ------------------
AdminAsgara Queen of the Universe
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