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jar
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Message 10 of 59 (131889)
08-09-2004 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by almeyda
08-09-2004 3:18 AM


Once again.
Evolution and the Theory of Evolution have absolutely nothing to do with Moral Systems.
The subject though is MUSIC.
How could natural selection shape the brain to derive pleasure from music?
Have you ever sat through 2 hours of Ravi Shankar?

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Message 20 of 59 (132173)
08-09-2004 11:36 PM
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08-09-2004 11:23 PM


Re: sexual selection
if monkeys and humans both evolved from a common ancestor, how come only humans have music, while monkeys do not?
Part of that is simply the same physical difference as language. Most of the other Primates do not have the vocal tools for either music or speech.

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jar
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Message 29 of 59 (132323)
08-10-2004 10:12 AM
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08-10-2004 8:58 AM


Re: sexual selection
Actually, Evolutionists have no problem with such differences at all.
So how could something so complex and so fascinating have evolved through chance and natural selection?.
Very slowly. It's likely that language came much later than music. In fact, whistling may have been one of the first features. But in either case, being able to make pleasant noise, even if there is no language content, might well have been a reproductive advantage.
I believe it's pretty obvious that music had to come before language. It could well have been something similar to throat singing, strange and haunting the first time you hear it. As others learned to sing, hum, whistle or chant, that provided the two things necessary for the development of language, the mechanics, and two or more people that wish to communicate.
The fact is that humans differ from the other animals only in degree. Many other animals make sounds, some the equivalent of singing (cats purr for example), some the equavalent of language (prarie dog warning bark). So Evolutionists don't have much of a problem with any of this.

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Message 40 of 59 (132744)
08-11-2004 10:41 AM
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08-10-2004 9:04 PM


Re: Ears are way off topic
But you might want to start a thread on that subject.

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Message 47 of 59 (133141)
08-12-2004 8:50 AM
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08-12-2004 4:54 AM


Re: The Origin of Music remix
A more recent example might be Dave Brubeck's Unsquare Dance. I remember the first time I heard it I simply giggled. But that might also have been the Black & White.

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