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Author Topic:   Scientific vs Creationist Frauds and Hoaxes
Genologist
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Message 168 of 220 (673182)
09-15-2012 3:30 PM


I understand that wherever there are divergent views on a subject, there are bound to be those on the extremities of both sides who with excessive zeal, "amplify" or add-on to what they believe to be the truth, most often to gain popularity or prove a point to their detractors.
However, your question presents something of a conundrum. If the evos are still wondering why there has been comparatively little response to this topic from creationists, the explanation is quite simple. Creationists view the entire theory of evolution as a hoax, so how can we be bothered (yawn) with singling out hoaxes within a hoax? That is what is so holistically reassuring about faith which is in harmony with clear evidence. Creationists feel little need to point out the so-called "hoaxes" within evolutionary theory when we can more easily point out the flaws in your dearest claims, or better still simply point to the truth which speaks for itself.
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Genologist
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Message 173 of 220 (673216)
09-16-2012 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by Dr Adequate
09-16-2012 8:26 AM


But what would be the motivation for such a hoax?

I'm glad you asked this question, although it could go a little off-topic. The answer I'm afraid is not scientific, it can't be; it concerns the conscience, the soul. It is about accountability and how all man naturally dislikes being held accountable to any authority. Don't deceive yourself, if you are truly deep down honest eg. the reason you don't want to park in that disabled parking when you're late is either because you care what people would think about you if they found out, or because you are concerned about a possible penalty from the authorities- either way there could be a consequence. Given that we live in an imperfect world we well know that most of our wrong-doings will go completely unpunished in this life, (and everybody does wrong, especially the "hidden" to others wrong, not so an all-seeing Creator)... As soon as we are compelled to believe in the existence of a Creator, we are confronted with the reality of some form of relationship with such Creator. Indeed a Creator who made us with such emotions, ambitions etc is most likely to be interested in us and this means we are laid bare before a supreme authority. Ouch! we don't like that idea, so we appease and numb our consciences and repeatedly tell ourselves that we are the result of an "accident" ie evolution.- We are therefore not answerable to a higher authority than the structures of man, that puts us at ease, Whew! we can do what we like therefore as long as we judge that it won't cause us harm or make us feel bad with our "lateral" human relations.

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Genologist
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Message 186 of 220 (673240)
09-17-2012 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 175 by Tangle
09-16-2012 5:22 PM


motivation for hoaxes and the exclusion of a Creator
Firstly, I must apologize to Tangle, Jar and others for my post as to the motivation behind hoaxes and evolution, particularly with respect to my rather poor analogy. What I was trying to convey (albeit badly) is that many of our motivations stem from deep in the subconscious. I conveyed a somewhat robotic being when in fact even emotion is in itself a motivation apart from a belief in God. I have through observation and discussion however discovered that the removal of even the mere notion of a higher being is considered attractive to "some" people because they can live with a free albeit numbed or diminished conscience in this area at least. In most of those cases their answer to life is that they go with science as opposed to Christianity for example, in the context that science becomes almost a belief system or religion to them. I believe that true science is compatible with Christianity when we point out definite evidence, (unfortunately even definite can be subjective) but we must then proceed not to "so readily" let our ideas generated from compiling such evidence become "theory and even fact". I find it sad that people consider theories such as evolution FACT, fait accompli, as if there were some ageless being with a clipboard documenting the whole thing. My Biology teacher at high school (who had studied in CA) taught us evolution as fact, and started teaching evolution beginning with the origins of life from Primordial soup. (I have actually re-checked this) At first I accepted it because she was authority and because of the random accidental nature of it all, I initially started to seriously doubt my new found belief in a Creator, basically there was a conflict between my mind and spirit. Fortunately my mathematics teacher helped me understand (through probabilities) that DNA formation almost certainly cannot be a random event. I do acknowledge that even some Christians believe in aspects of evolution, and I am sure that there are a few aspects of truth "within" evolution. I just don't see why people should be allowed to go to the extremes of hoaxes on both sides when we can quite easily teach evolution as just one theory and nothing more than a theory and include creation also just as a theory, that way there is no imposition and it would put paid to the motivation behind hoaxes. I totally disagree with those who believe that accepting evolution is necessary to Biology as a useful science. There are a number of proffessions that are a spin-off from Biology and some of the most acclaimed surgeons for example are creationists, (I know one of them personally). I must also apologize if I conveyed the picture of a ruthless God, in fact (paraphrased!) Christianity teaches that God knows our "warts and all" and came not to condemn us but to save us "warts and all" and that includes every single person in the blogosphere. (Sorry for going off-topic).
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