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Author Topic:   Scientific vs Creationist Frauds and Hoaxes
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Message 62 of 220 (545085)
01-31-2010 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by dwise1
01-27-2010 4:33 PM


Re: Oñate Man
If someone included a link to the page revealing the hoax I somehow missed it, so here it is: http://www.nmsr.org/april_fool.html

--Percy


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Message 110 of 220 (657834)
03-31-2012 7:41 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by Portillo
03-30-2012 11:20 PM


Hi Portillo,

The goal of this thread is not to prove that scientists are morally superior to creationists and therefore do not engage in frauds and hoaxes. Scientists are still human, after all, vulnerable to all the ills that flesh is heir and all that. Nor do scientists possess any special qualities that render them immune to being fooled by frauds and hoaxes, at least those that possess the required technical sophistication.

The true purpose of this thread is to clearly illustrate that science possesses intellectual honesty and creationism does not. The various frauds and hoaxes that you list are all acknowledged by science, with the exception of those that are actually creationist misrepresentations.

You can actually help this thread makes its point by denying that the creationist misrepresentations are just that. That by itself is insufficient, but then we will provide you correct information backed by evidence and references, and you'll still deny they are misrepresentations, and the thread's point will have been made.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 169 of 220 (673184)
09-15-2012 4:37 PM
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09-15-2012 3:30 PM


Hi Genologist,

Glad to hear your job here will be so easy - maybe you're even done already.

Anyway, welcome aboard!

--Percy


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Message 177 of 220 (673221)
09-16-2012 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by Genologist
09-16-2012 4:58 PM


That says a lot more about Christian imaginations than it does about any motive for perpetrating a massive multi-generational hoax requiring top-secret fossil manufacturing plants, elite covert fossil seeding teams, fake genetic analysis programs, secure educational facilities to ensure that all evolutionists keep their lying in agreement, etc., plus it doesn't account for the majority of scientists who happen to be religious, nor does it address the motivation of Christians who believe that accepting evolution puts the eternal salvation of their very souls at risk.

But as you noted, that's all a bit off-topic. Did you want to say anything about scientific versus creationist frauds and hoaxes?

--Percy


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Message 178 of 220 (673222)
09-16-2012 5:47 PM


To Subbit, Tangle, Jar
I share all your sentiments, but maybe we could help the new member stay on topic.

--Percy


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Message 180 of 220 (673224)
09-16-2012 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by Tangle
09-16-2012 5:52 PM


Re: To Subbit, Tangle, Jar
Tangle writes:

Sorry boss but it needed saying. It always needs saying.

Yes, you're right, but you could say it while including a nod to the topic.

You'd think people like Genologist would at least, before making such assertions, try to gather evidence of greater immoral behavior among those who accept evolution. Since the creation/evolution divide has a fair degree of correspondence with the conservative/liberal divide, that liberals are often regarded as gullibly soft-headed dupes for those in need would seem to be evidence against Genologist's hypothesis. Probably his evidence for scientific frauds and hoaxes is equally weak.

--Percy


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Message 187 of 220 (673241)
09-17-2012 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by Genologist
09-17-2012 9:57 AM


Re: motivation for hoaxes and the exclusion of a Creator
Genologist writes:

(Sorry for going off-topic).

When were you ever on-topic? If there is to be no point at which you'll be on-topic perhaps you could find a more appropriate thread, or propose a new topic over at Proposed New Topics. Obviously people want to discuss what you're saying with you, but this thread is about frauds and hoaxes, not subconscious tactics for mental self-manipulation, to which, by the way, creationists are as vulnerable as the rest of humanity.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Clarify last sentence.


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