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Jeff
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Message 31 of 42 (5472)
02-25-2002 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by John Paul
02-21-2002 9:28 PM


quote:
Originally posted by John Paul:
John Paul:
And yes I am dangerous. I have a free and open mind. My search for the truth, which is what science is all about, will not be constrained by the narrow vision of materialistic naturalism.

Does this mean you intend to push the envelope of Science ( the study of matter & Nature ) to include something OTHER THAN matter & nature ?
What could this be ?
How did you detect it ?
If your idea works, I'll renew my subscription to 'Nature' and scan every word, waiting for your work to arrive.
Or perhaps I'm mistaken as to WHAT science actually is...
Is it NOT the study of the material, physical, natural universe ?
regards,

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Jeff
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Message 39 of 42 (5556)
02-26-2002 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by John Paul
02-25-2002 4:02 PM


quote:
Originally posted by John Paul:
John Paul:
Yes, you are mistaken. Science is the search for the truth.
"Science is the search for the truth," wrote chemist Linus Pauling, winner of two Nobel prizes. Bruce Alberts, current president of the US NAS, agrees. "Science and lies cannot coexist," said Alberts in May 2000, quoting Israeli statesman Shimon Peres. "You don't have a scientific lie, and you cannot lie scientifically. Science is basically the search for the truth." page 1 Icons of Evolution by Jonathon Wells.

So let’s get this straight.
Science is.what ever Linus Pauling, Jonathon Wells & Shimon Peres say it is.
Did Henry Morris and Duane Gish give their approval ? then it’s NOT official
=o)
I’m sorry, subjective words like truth have no real meaning unless given a relative frame of reference.
For instance, many people consider the Bible as ‘truth’. But many of these same people are not interested ( nor should they be ) in how this version of ‘truth’ relates to the facts. Persons of another religious persuasion may take issue with these claims of truth, because they contradict another religion’s ‘truth’.
Truth is too vague to be of any use here.
Try this: if science is more than the study of matter & naturethen what ?
If you say ‘truth’ again, then you’ve gone no where with this. How about something specific ? Science MUST observe some methodology. Science began as the quest for explanations for naturally occurring phenomena. You know.likewhat makes lightening ??.why does it rain? is the moon made of cheese and HOW did it get there ?
According to you, something must have been added recently & I’d like to know about it.
Is a ‘fact’ the same as the ‘truth’ ?
Is a ‘fact’ a subset of the ‘truth’ ?
And if science cannot identify ‘truth’ from the study of matter & nature, then tell us WHAT we must study to obtain ‘truth’.
Regards,

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