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Author Topic:   20 Questions... (from Walt Brown to evolutionists)
crashfrog
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Message 11 of 46 (78106)
01-12-2004 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by joshua221
01-12-2004 8:36 PM


Not good enough in my book.
Why not? For that matter, if the Flud did occur, why doesn't every culture have a flood myth?
Let me get this straight: out of two possibilities to explain why some cultures have flood myths:
1) they have similar myths because we observe they live in similar places; i.e. prone to flooding, or
2) a massive, worldwide flood destroyed all but 8 humans and a few animals, who miraculously were able to restore all life, despite the fact that a number of civilizations at the time failed to notice that they were at the bottom of the sea, and in spite of all geologic and biological evidence to the contrary
you take number 2 over number 1? Crazy...

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crashfrog
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Message 16 of 46 (78117)
01-12-2004 10:10 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by johnfolton
01-12-2004 9:42 PM


If scientists feel a rock was launched from Mars, guess its not much of a reach to feel rocks were launched from earth, etc...
Mars has a third of the gravity. Plus it's obvious that Mars was hit by something very, very large - so large it bulged out the solar system's tallest mountain on the other side of the planet.
I'd say there's a big difference between launching stuff off these two planets.

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crashfrog
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Message 18 of 46 (78124)
01-12-2004 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by johnfolton
01-12-2004 11:01 PM


like your talking pretty hot waters
Yeah, we know. Hot enought to steam-sterilize the Earth - including Noah and his little Ark.
on the trailing side, as the earth continued to press on at 60,000 mph, the rocks got left behind, etc...
That's not how it works. If the rocks leave an Earth going 60,000 mph, then they keep going 60,000 mph. This is basic physics - "objects in motion stay in motion until acted upon by an outside force."
guess its not much of a reach for water to press upward, pressing outward, pushing rocks into increasing orbits until the size of the rocks were too small to remain in orbit, etc...
A vertical stream is not going to put anything in orbit. When the steam falls off what you put up is coming right back down. (You have no idea how stuff gets into orbit, do you?)

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crashfrog
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Message 20 of 46 (78126)
01-12-2004 11:25 PM
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01-12-2004 11:21 PM


these rocks eventually got left behind as the earth continued onward, etc..
Nothing's going to be left behind. Space isn't like falling out of the back of your bud's pickup and having him drive off. In space, if you fall out of the back of the pickup at 55 mph, you keep going at 55 mph. You don't fall behind the pickup until the pickup starts going faster. (Ignoring the fact that in space there's nothing for the pickup to dive on.)
Why do I get the feeling that everything you know about space and orbital mechanics, you learned from saturday morning cartoons? Did you even read the basic physical law I posted above? Here it is, one more time: An object in motion tends to stay in motion until acted upon by an outside force.

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crashfrog
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Message 24 of 46 (78132)
01-12-2004 11:54 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by johnfolton
01-12-2004 11:40 PM


where the sun recaptured these rocks(another outside force), explaining the location of the asteroid belt, etc...
The asteroid belt represents enough mass to be a significantly-sized planet. You're saying that the "fountains of the deep" blasted off one planet's worth of material? And Noah survived this somehow? How come Noah doesn't mention that the Earth's gravity suddenly decreased by as much as maybe 1/2?
Also, the asteriod belt is farther out from the Sun than the Earth. (It's out past Mars.) If it was suddenly grabbed by the sun's gravity,why would it keep moving out? Why wouldn't it go towards the sun?

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crashfrog
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Message 25 of 46 (78135)
01-12-2004 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Minnemooseus
01-12-2004 11:53 PM


You have something to back up that statement?
That Olympus Mons is the highest mountain in the solar system? Or the bit about its formation? I thought I had heard that. I'll look up a link after work tonight or else I'll retract it, I promise.

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crashfrog
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Message 33 of 46 (78240)
01-13-2004 3:09 PM
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01-13-2004 12:52 AM


Re: Olympus Mons
I've not heard of any formation by impact though. It sits on the Tharsis bulge but I thought that was also volcanic.
Yeah I guess I was wrong about that. All the sources I'm finding agree that Olympus Mons is volcanic. Geez, I wonder where I heard that about the impact.... huh.

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crashfrog
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Message 37 of 46 (78256)
01-13-2004 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by JonF
01-13-2004 3:54 PM


The radiometer effect of the Sun doesn't do what Walt wants it to ... circularize and enlage an elliptical orbit.
Actually you're more right than you know - the radiometer effect on asteroids falisifies a young Solar System. So it really doesn't do what Walt wants it to do: falsify creationsim!
I opened a thread for this a few months ago; couldn't get any creationists to respond.
Spin control for asteroids:
EvC Forum: New Nature Article - Spin Control for Asteriods

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