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dwise1 Member Posts: 5950 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Wheely. As in millstone? (Matt 18:6, Mark 9:42, Luke 17:2) How appropriate!
So those vids are by your "friend". And does your "friend" have a name? Or better yet, why did you not tell us your "friend's" name? Do you have any reason why you'd want to conceal that information from us? His name is Ian Juby. Not that I could get that from the tapes which did not name him, but rather from one of the YouTube suggested links. Inspired by Carl Baugh, who is discredited even among many creationists, and contributed to displays to convicted fraud Kent Hovind's theme park. Nice crowd he runs around with. As soon as he tried that old nonsense of "evolutionists say that this formation was laid down in x years, so that works out to this fraction of a millimeter per year", I knew exactly what I was looking at. As WC Fields said, "There comes a time in the affairs of men where you have to grab the bull by the tail and face the situation." He's just offering the same old crap that they've been hawking for decades. Sure, the smart ones try to dress it up differently -- Hovind just stole Gish's old jokes wholesale -- , make it seem individual and unique, but it's still the same old false crap. OK, how long have you been feeding on that swill? You're in university, so you're a kid between 18 and 22. Hopefully on the low end, because right now you're in the right place to actually learn something -- more on that later. You've only been getting this stuff for maybe a few years -- unless you're unfortunate enough to have been raised on it -- , so it all seems so new and wonderful. I've been following creationism for about 28 years, so I can tell you for a fact that it's neither. Those false claims of theirs have literally be around for decades and have been refuted over and over again -- we call them PRATTs (I keep getting the details wrong: "points refuted a thousand times") and believe you me we have seen them repeatedly for years. You present the truth about that PRATT, but the creationist doesn't want to see it. Well, usually. Most creationists can only remain deluded for so long, but they eventually have to grab that bull by the tail and face the situation. What keeps those PRATTs going -- and the creationists like Ian Juby in business -- is the PT Barnum Effect: there's a sucker born every minute and right now you're it! OK, what you need to do is to seek the truth! And being at university, you're in the ideal place for it. What's your major? What minors could you go for? Mind you, I'm assuming that the system up there is similar to ours in the US. You'll have certain general education requirements, including in the sciences. Juby makes claims about geology, so learn something about geology. He claims to tell you what "evolutionists" say, so go and find that out for yourself, see if he's telling you right. Same with paleaontology, astronomy, biology. Physical anthropology for learning hominid fossil evidence and evolution -- in the US, too often the biology classes don't teach evolution, but you should still take biology anyway. Even if you don't take the classes, you still have the library there so you can do the research. When a creationist makes a claim, check it out. They quote a scientific source, look that source up, see if they represented it correctly. For example, Henry Morris publically claimed that a NASA document from 1976, "well into the space age", showed from direct measurements that there should have been hundreds of feet of meteoric dust on the moon. His book, "Scientific Creationism", made that same claim. When I pulled that NASA document off the library shelf, I immediately knew that Morris was either lying or had never ever seen that document: it was a 1967 printing of papers from a 1965 conference. His actual source was a claim made by Harold Slusher who ignored what his source actually said in order to inflate his calculations for the moon by 10,000 -- actually, I've come to suspect that even Slusher had never actually seen that document himself; they both said it was Volume II when it was actually Volume 11 and there was no way you could mistake that 11 for a II. Get the message? Verify, verify, verify! BTW, your protein probability claim is completely wrong. More on that later. PSTake English! Spell checkers will not help you at all because you just plain use the wrong words! You accept something, not "except" it. Using "to" where you needed to use "too". One thing that might help would be to take a foreign language. When I was at university in North Dakota, we were told that a graduation requirement in Canadian universities was being bilingual English/French (though rumor had it that that only applied to native English speakers; according to that rumor les Québécois didn't need to know English). So French might help to clue you in on what word to use (eg, accept/except -- I had never before seen anyone confuse those two!). At the very least, foreign language study should help you learn that grammar is the key to using a language and that words actually mean something and that you're not just stringing together disassociated sounds. Edited by dwise1, : PS Edited by dwise1, : No reason given. Edited by dwise1, : No reason given.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5950 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Your "Math vs Myth" at No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.creationkid.org/pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%20NOT%20ENOUGH%20TIME%20TO%20EVOLVE%20NUMBER.pdf is just plain wrong. Furthermore, we've known it to be wrong for at least 28 years (since that's about how old the class notes are from Thwaite and Awbrey's two-model creation/evolution class in San Diego). Here's an email from 12 years ago where I responded to a local creationist who had made the same claim you are.
Oh, while I'm thinking of it: what's your source for that claim? If you learn nothing more in university, always cite your sources. Yes, I do realize that the hallmark of creationist "research" is sloppy scholarship. We're lucky if a creationist provides a bibliography and really lucky when that bibliography isn't just filled with other creationists (though that was handy when I was trying to trace back which creationists had contributed what to the bogus "leap second" claim). OK, here it is:
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