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Author Topic:   YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, adonai, lord, elohim, god, allah, Allah thread.
Andya Primanda
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Message 23 of 298 (59866)
10-07-2003 5:18 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Buzsaw
10-06-2003 6:13 PM


Mr Buzsaw, I don't know what your probelm with the name of God, but I'd like to help you clear things up.
First, 'Allah' in literal Arabic is translated as just 'God'. Not a specific name like Andya or John or buzsaw. The Muslims' main creed is (in arabic): 'Laa1 ilaha2 illa3 Allah4' which translates to 'No1 god2 except3 God4'.
It can also be pointed out that Muslims consider that God has 99 names. These 'names' are not specific names, but more like a description of God's attributes, like ar-Rahman (Merciful), al-Latif (Subtle), or even al-Musawwir (Evolver).
Second, YHWH? I don't know Hebrew, but there is a common word 'Huwa' in Arabic which means 'he' [singular male third person]. Let's see, The Qur'an, 112:1
Qul1 huwa2 Allahu3 ahad4
Say1: 'He2 [is] God3, the One4
Just a speculation of mine, but could it be that YHWH actually just mean 'He'? I understand that Jews are forbidden to say the name of God, so could it be that they just called God as 'He' (YHWH)?

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Andya Primanda
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Message 108 of 298 (71798)
12-09-2003 4:51 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by PaulK
12-08-2003 3:18 AM


Re: A simple question for Buzsaw
I can confirm your assertion, that the word "Allah" does not refer to a specific name, but it means "God". About YHWH being the name of God, I don't see a Qur'anic basis for that position; but, I suspect that YHWH is also not a specific name, but just a phrase meaning "He Is". Check my earlier post.
Or I can reverse this question to Buzsaw: On what basis do you claim that the Jew/Christian God's name is Jehovah/Yahwe/YHWH? Cite and original text please. Maybe there's a problem in your translated version.

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Andya Primanda
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Message 113 of 298 (72236)
12-11-2003 2:02 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by Buzsaw
12-10-2003 8:26 PM


Re: A simple question for Buzsaw
OK, let's try to get the facts straight, then.
Give me an example of a biblical verse with the word YHWH, in its original text (in Hebrew/Aramaic/whatever language it was written originally). And give me another verse with the word 'elohim'. Let's see if YHWH is actually a specific name.

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Andya Primanda
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Message 123 of 298 (72396)
12-11-2003 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Abshalom
12-11-2003 11:13 AM


Re: Chapter and Verse
Interesting. Abshalom, I think you are familiar with the subject, can you give me the original Hebrew/Aramaic(or whatever langage it was first written) text for those verses?

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