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Author Topic:   YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, adonai, lord, elohim, god, allah, Allah thread.
rizal
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Message 200 of 298 (396206)
04-19-2007 6:09 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
10-05-2003 9:06 PM


Dear Friends
ALLAH just simply translated as GOD, He is not moon god, He has 99 beautiful names in Islam, YHWH is GOD name in Bible but no one sure what is the meaning, since this word is Taboo for ancient Jewish to speak.
Suggest to visit http://www.thetruecall.com/home/modules.php?name=News&fil...
I hope it could open your mind and view about relation between Allah (islam) and YHWH in Bible and make the truth clearer.
Salam

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rizal
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Message 203 of 298 (396457)
04-20-2007 2:58 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by arachnophilia
04-19-2007 3:27 PM


Salaam arachnophilia,
Yes sorry it should be "The God" not just "God"
For YHWH you representing by , I don't know since I'm not Jewish but I found at Answers - The Most Trusted Place for Answering Life's Questions, there are so many alternative words to representing YHWH and also found on that site.
So if you understand well about hebrew could you tell me the real meaning of YHWH (in all words) then we could compare to 99 God's names in Islam at http://www.asmaulhusna.com/
I'm also thirsty to find the truth.

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rizal
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Message 205 of 298 (396459)
04-20-2007 3:44 AM
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04-20-2007 3:27 AM


thanks nighttrain for your warm welcome

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rizal
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Message 215 of 298 (396878)
04-23-2007 2:15 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by Modulous
04-22-2007 5:34 AM


Thanks Arach for your explanation:
but it's generally rendered "yahweh" and means "he who exists."
when moshe asks god his name, he says , ahayah asher ahayah. "i am that i am," or possibly "i will be what i will be." god's name is derived from the verb in that sentance.
Thanks Modulous, I agree with you for below points:
1st
This means 'I am that I am' or something approaching it. The Muslims state that one of the names for God is 'I am that I am' - or something approaching it. They don't use English though - they use Arabic
2nd
Muslims state that these are the names for the deity they believe in
Buzsaw, I came from free nation, I am a Muslim and i was taught that The God that I worshipped as same as The God of Adam, Noah & Abraham, and I believed for prophecy of Joseph, Moses and Jesus (all muslims believed for 25 prophets since Adam until Muhammad).
As a Muslim beside Qur'an I must believe that Zabur (Psalm), Torah and Gospel were also revealed by the only and the same God.
Salam
Edited by rizal, : Sorry I just add ":" as I didnt know how to make quotation

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rizal
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Message 228 of 298 (397041)
04-24-2007 2:55 AM
Reply to: Message 218 by Buzsaw
04-23-2007 10:04 PM


Buzsaw, Allah never inspiring us to kill each other.
In my country Islam coming earlier than Christian, it's around 1300 AD arrived via overseas merchants from India and China (87% of people now are muslims and became the world's largest muslim country).
Christian coming to my country araound 400 years later by European colonists and missionaries, after 350 years colonized only 6% of people converted to be christians until now.
So it's not true that Islam spread by killing people (in my country by merchants), and also it's not true that christian spread by love (in my country by 350 years colonized), but that's only history, no vengeance and no hatred.
In Islam all prophets are important, no one more important than the other since they have the same mission to be the "messenger of God", but in Islam Allah gave the very special title to Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them) as "ulul azmi" or "the resolute".
Salaam

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rizal
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Message 229 of 298 (397231)
04-25-2007 3:41 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by Modulous
04-24-2007 2:26 AM


Re: Fundamentalists
The God of the Jews, Christian and Islam is the same God, He is the God of Mercy and Love, He never inspiring His prophets to kill.
Human and Satan are the terrible creatures who inspiring us to kill each other:
the Crusades are an important early part of the story of European expansion and colonialism. They mark the first time Western Christendom undertook a military initiative far from home, the first time significant numbers left to carry their culture and religion abroad
the First Crusade became an excuse to unleash savage attacks in the name of Christianity on Jewish communities along the Rhine
The siege of Jerusalem culminated in a bloody and destructive Christian victory in July 1099, in which many of the inhabitants were massacred.
...numerous Muslim armies, allied under Saladin's command, were ready to move against the Crusaders. In 1187 he invaded the Latin kingdom of Jerusalem, defeated the Christians at Hittin in Galilee (July 4), and captured Jerusalem the following October. In 1189 the nations of western Europe launched the Third Crusade to win back the holy city.
Despite Saladin's relentless military and diplomatic efforts a Christian land and naval blockade forced the surrender of the Palestinian stronghold of Acre (now ”Akko) in 1191, but the Crusaders failed to follow up this victory in their quest for Jerusalem. In 1192 Saladin concluded an armistice agreement with King Richard I of England that allowed the Crusaders to reconstitute their kingdom along the Palestinian-Syrian coast but left Jerusalem in Muslim hands.
(taken from: Microsoft ® Encarta ® 2007. Microsoft Corporation)
Finally the fatal Crusades became the origin of misunderstanding between Christians, Jews and Muslims until now.
Please don't blame it to the God...
Salam
Edited by rizal, : adding "Jews"
Edited by rizal, : No reason given.

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rizal
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Message 231 of 298 (397238)
04-25-2007 5:51 AM
Reply to: Message 230 by Modulous
04-25-2007 5:07 AM


Re: Fundamentalists
In my opinion God's laws couldn't consider as "barbaric" laws, When human though that their laws better than God's laws then destruction begin.
Do the Christians following the God's laws as stated in the Old Testament? I don't think so...
Do the muslims following the God's laws (as stated in Old testament too)? Some YES, some NO... (coz some people said that God's laws considered as barbaric laws)
I believed that Christians God is the same with Jews and Muslims God since all these 3 religions brings by descendant of Abraham but I believed that Jesus is not son or incarnation of God, so Islam God will not the same with Christians if Christians believed that Jesus is (Incarnation of) God.

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rizal
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Message 233 of 298 (397244)
04-25-2007 7:06 AM
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04-25-2007 6:12 AM


Re: Welcome to EvC
Again, welcome and fruitful debating.
Thanks, I've read Forum Guidelines and Style Guides

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rizal
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Message 237 of 298 (397449)
04-25-2007 11:50 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by Buzsaw
04-25-2007 9:09 PM


Re: Fundamentalists
The Qu'ran mentions this event in Sura 33:25-27
Buz, if we try to find the truth we must look something from the begining until the end as one, not just part of them. you may visit this link:
quran.myquran.org is Expired or Suspended.?
Then chose and read Sura 33 from the verse 1 - 27 to see the background of event.
And below additional information to open your eyes, that Meccans (unbelievers) who besieged Medina and nobody surrender to anybody:
He promulgated a charter that specified the rights and relationships of the Muslims, Jews, and other groups of the city (Medina). The Meccans, meanwhile, persisted in their hostility, demanding the extradition of Muhammad and his Meccan followers. They were supported in Medina by a group, referred to in the Qur'an as the Hypocrites, who had submitted to Islam but were secretly working against it. This group in turn was aided by the three Jewish tribes that were residing in Medina.
...In 624, the first major battle occurred, in which the Muslims, despite their inferiority in numbers and weapons, soundly defeated the Meccans. In the next major battle, the following year, the Meccans had the advantage but were unable to achieve a decisive victory. A Meccan army of 10,000 besieged Medina in 627 but failed to take the city. Muhammad meanwhile eliminated his enemies within Medina. After each of the first two battles he expelled a Jewish tribe, and after the third major battle he had the males of the remaining tribe massacred for collaborating with his opponents.
In 630, the Meccans, unable to conquer Medina and crippled by the severing of their trade routes, finally submitted peacefully to Muhammad, who treated the city generously, declaring a general amnesty. Tribal delegations arrived from throughout Arabia, and their tribes were soon converted to Islam. Muhammad, now the most powerful leader in Arabia, enforced the principles of Islam and established the foundation of the Islamic empire. He ordered the destruction of the idols in the Kaaba, the traditional place of pilgrimage in Mecca, which then became the holiest shrine of Islam. He granted Jews and Christians religious autonomy as “peoples of the Book,”...
(taken from Microsoft ® Encarta ® 2007. Microsoft Corporation)

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rizal
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Message 238 of 298 (397455)
04-26-2007 12:43 AM
Reply to: Message 236 by Buzsaw
04-25-2007 9:09 PM


Re: Fundamentalists
Rizal, are you saying that Mohammed's humanity and inspiration of Satan are what inspired him (abe: to order) his men to behead around 600 Jewish men in one day in a small village and take the women and children into slavery after the town surrendered
You said that, not me!
If you already read the link and you read an additional information that i took from Encarta in my previous post, I could conclude:
Banu Qurayza inspired by satan to provoke the hypocrites groups against the prophet, they deserve to be punished!
The same thing happened in Crusades, there is someone inspired by satan to provoke europeans leader to invade jerussalem and finally failed, you knew that!

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Message 240 of 298 (397467)
04-26-2007 6:39 AM
Reply to: Message 234 by jar
04-25-2007 8:25 AM


Re: Heading back towards the topic.
Many folk also hold that opinion, however if the Old Testament is considered as literally true, then it is hard to think of some other word to describe some of the Laws than Barbaric.
Yes, I've ever see in the movie for the simple case; whenever pagan romans woman look at the circumcised Jews's flesh, then she said it's "barbaric", for the romans pagan it's okay, but if we worshipped Abraham's God it's really improper thinking to state it as "barbaric".
Genesis 17:9-14 (NIV)© 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society
9 Then God said to Abraham, "As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. 10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner”those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant."
Salaam

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