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Author Topic:   The Power/Reality Of Demons And Supernatural Evil.
kofh2u
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Message 202 of 334 (98922)
04-09-2004 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by UV2003
04-09-2004 10:57 AM


semantics?
Much of your criticism is well founded.

However, the semantics get in the way. Evil and good both exist within us, in our intentions, and in society as consequental to collective actions.

I see "Satan" evrywhere in America as does the Mulim. But, we both recognize Satan by the same evidence titled with semantical differences.

Satan that I see is sexual excess and obsession. I see it in the amusement offered in movies and TV. I see it selling legitimate commercial products and services. I see Satan being seduced by the Devil. The Devil is clearly recognized in America as "she" was in Isreal long ago.

Isa. 3:16- Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:
Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts. In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon, The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers,
The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings, The rings, and nose jewels, The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins, The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the veils.

Within us, in our psyche, there are seven evil spirits. Freud brought them to our attention, but we have forgotten them and continus to look for the evil in ourselves as if we are religiously ANIMISTIC.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.


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kofh2u
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Message 204 of 334 (99046)
04-10-2004 1:31 AM
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04-09-2004 2:01 PM


Exactly right!
The religious leaders today want it both ways.

1) They want to open the church to psychological counseling,

2) while they ignor the secular truth behind scriptures' teachings, using the "spiritualism" and animism in the mind of people to bring them into the fold.

They ignor the truth of Freud in deferring to external causes and evil possessions when the problem lies in the excessive reliance and exercise of one or another of the psychic archetypal sources of their behavior!
THE SEVEN EVILSPIRITS IN BOOK OF MATTHEW:

Satan = Libido = physical urges and drives

Lucifer = Id = The Pleasyre Principle

Baalzebub = Self = The Reality Principle

Mammon = Ego - The Aggressive Drive

False Prophet = Superego = Logical/mathematical thinking

False Shepherd = Sense of psychic balance = Harmony Principle

Devil = Anima/animus = The Feminine Principle

And, of course,
The Holy Spirit = Conscience = Interpersonal Integrity

Rev. 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars (the sevenfold angels of the psyche: Id, Libido, Ego, Anima, Self, Harmony, Superego): and out of his mouth went a two-edged sword (cutting both secular and theological wisdom): and his countenance was as the sun (of rationality) shineth in his strength (of factual knowledge).


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kofh2u
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Message 206 of 334 (99052)
04-10-2004 2:47 AM
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04-10-2004 1:42 AM


The devil you say...
The source of human Intuition seems to eminate from a psychic source which Carl Jung called the Anima. This word is Latin for mind of women. It translates in the Greek to Psyke'. The English word for this term is "soul."

Dr Tessa Warshaw in her best seller, "How to negotiate," calls this mental thinking source "Big Momma."

Carl Jung based a large portion of his Jungian Pschology on understanding this psychic apparatus.

But I believe the ancients summed up the one side
of this archetypal human thinking sources found in men and women as the Devil.

Rev. 17:2 With whom (the political powers), the kings of the earth, have committed (themselves to a sexually misdirected economic system of) fornications, and the inhabitants of the earth (in Western society) have been made drunk (and hedonistic) with the wine of her (porno-sexual exploitation of) fornications.


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kofh2u
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Message 208 of 334 (99436)
04-12-2004 2:02 PM
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04-12-2004 10:15 AM


Re: The devil you say...
Hi,
Yes, the ancient, ancient Seven Chakras.
That psychic mood has seven states, as this Eastern mysticism tells us, and in that it has found enough experiental support through thosands of years, is rathering collaterating with both Freudian/Jungian Psychology of the most recent observations in our times.

Both find strong confirmation in the Function Color Psychology of Dr. Max Luscher.

Using seven or eight colors, a very effect analysis is obtained. Luscher's work is very much applied and esteemed in Europe. Corporations like Volkswagon use it in Consumer Preference Analysis and others in Human Resources.

That psychology finds analogy in the Christian scriptures seems a twoedged sword benefiting both disciplines while, perhaps, cutting the "priesthoods" in each with its insight.
That the BELIEFS of religion can be supported in what we KNOW from psychology seems as powerfu,l in that, what we KNOW about Freudian and Jungian psychology can be more effectively utilized by people BELIEVING in it. True?

Quote from the Freudian Bible Translation:

Rev. 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars (the sevenfold angels of the psyche: Id, Libido, Ego, Anima, Self, Harmony, Superego): and out of his mouth went a two-edged sword (cutting both secular and theological wisdom): and his countenance was as the sun (of rationality) shineth in his strength (of factual knowledge).


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