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Author Topic:   The Power/Reality Of Demons And Supernatural Evil.
Primordial Egg
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Message 30 of 258 (69168)
11-25-2003 7:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
11-22-2003 9:15 PM


Its now on the BBC...
The story of the man who never eats or drinks (for 68 years now apparently) has now made it to the BBC website

Doctors and experts are baffled by an Indian hermit who claims not to have eaten or drunk anything for several decades - but is still in perfect health....

...He says he has survived several decades without food or water because of a hole in his palate.

Drops of water filter through this hole, he says, sustaining him.

Also, from here:

“Jani has not passed urine since he was brought here on November 12. He has not taken anything by mouth or by any other route — not even water during this period. All his parameters are within the normal physiological range. Initially, the project was to continue for seven days but his health allowed us to extend it,” said Dhruv.

Tests have showed that Jani’s body has shown evidence of formation of urine, which seems to be reabsorbed from his bladder wall.

“He underwent all possible medical investigations — from checking blood pressure to MRI of brain and gut, which were normal. Perhaps, he is more fit than other people of his age. This is an attempt to understand a new dimension in medical science and help mankind,” said Dr Sudhir Shah, a neurologist, who was a part of the team who examined a similar case of Hira Ratan Manek, a person who fasted for 411 days.

“But this one is different. Not passing urine and stool is a very striking phenomenon. This is a oneof-a-kind case,” he said.

At present, the committee does not have any scientific explanation for the phenomenon. “All we can say is that we are taking help of senior scientists.”

Weird.

PE


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Primordial Egg
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Message 32 of 258 (69227)
11-25-2003 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Primordial Egg
11-25-2003 7:59 AM


maybe he's repressing it
Mind you, looking at this site which gives some pointers as to the symptoms one might expect from demon possession:

Contents:

Causes and Effects of Demon Possession
1. Interest in the occult
2. Demonic favors
3. Demonic games
...
4. Pornographic and obscene materials
5. Mind-altering drugs
6. Multiple-personalities (MPD), schizophrenia, and hearing voices
7. Demon possession and homosexuality
8. Homosexual clergypersons
9. Demons and criminal behavior
...
10. Sex crimes against children
11. Repressed childhood memories of sexual molestation
12. Suicide
13. Godless Rock music
14. Spontaneous Human Combustion

It doesn't say anything about not eating or drinking for unfeasible periods of time. Maybe one for the list?

PE


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Primordial Egg
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Message 56 of 258 (70225)
12-01-2003 6:09 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Silent H
11-30-2003 2:36 PM


Holmes,

Looking at your "what we know for sure" list:

1) There is an elderly man who was able to go without food and water for 10 days
2) he claims this ability was granted by a goddess, and
3) he claims he has not eaten in 40 years.

I'd change number 1 to:

1. According to the doctors in the hospital, there is an elderly man who was able to go without food and water for 10 days.

Often scientists are the worst people in the world to detect fraudulent claims of the supernatural as they tend to be too trusting. It sometimes takes a professional conman to detect where any chicanery is taking place (e.g was he allowed visitors during the period? Could they have slipped him something?). I'd like to have seen James Randi there to cast his eye over the conditions of the experiment.

The most we can say is that the doctor's are baffled.

Its also pretty weird that the guy lost some weight over the ten days - that just doesn't add up to me. As you say, what difference does a week of not consuming make over an entire lifetime of not consuming?

As for demon possession, I once heard this story about a guy some time ago who was crucified, pronounced dead and came to life three days later. He also claimed to hear voices from God. Seems like a surefire case of demonic possession to me.

PE


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Primordial Egg
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Message 57 of 258 (70229)
12-01-2003 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Len Lisenbee
11-30-2003 10:33 PM


Buzzsay, I believe you could be right on the mark with your assessment that the hindu is possessed with a demon. After all, there are many tens of thousands of fallen angels, aka "demons" trapped here on earth. Where are they? They are up to all sorts of mischief as they serve Satan. So, keep up your good work, and keep your (our) faith in Christ. Do not let their godless mocking ever get to you.

Wait a minute...that sounds like demon-talk to me. How do I know that you're not possessed by a demon?

PE


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Primordial Egg
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Message 174 of 258 (78034)
01-12-2004 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by Stephen ben Yeshua
01-12-2004 1:49 PM


Re: Moby Dick inspired writing?
You might be interested to know that the once reputable BBC Science documentary series Horizon had a programme on Bible Codes where they ran their own statistical analysis which appeared to debunk the codes. It did however conclude with the usual wishy-washy ending ("the wrangling will go on...").

The official site has a full transcript of the show.

PE

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