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Author Topic:   The Power/Reality Of Demons And Supernatural Evil.
Itachi Uchiha
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Message 73 of 334 (75251)
12-26-2003 9:11 PM


Honestly the only evidence for the existence of god,angels and demons is personal experience. I know they exist because of my own experiences with them but i cant blame anyone here for not believing cause they havent seen them. The bottom line here is that nobody can give me enough evidence for the fact that they dont exist as well as i cant convince anybody that they do. So arguing about this will lead us nowhere. God is a reality and science cant explain the spiritual world. Science is not even certain of what the origin of this world is

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BIG Bang=Bigger JOke


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Itachi Uchiha
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Message 78 of 334 (75275)
12-26-2003 10:56 PM


This dreams are very symbolic. sometimes you know what it means ,have an idea of what it means or just simply have no clue at all. It can concern you, a loved one, or even someone who you do not know but they all have a message. When you dont understand your dreams there are people in the church that have the ability to interpret them. it can be the pastor or somebody else.

A few days ago one of these interpreters in my church had a dream with me where God showed her that a demon wanted to continue imparing my eyesight(i have eyesight problems sice birth) and that to stop this i had to fasten and pray for a day.

When it comes to my personal experineces, the last one i had was a bit hard to explain. It was night time and i was in bedroom when i heard some noises from the first floor of the house. My parents an sister were sleeping so i went to check it out. Three demons dresed like muslims were staling in my house. When i went to confront them they took out some swords and tried to stab me. I was running all over the house looking for a weapon while i ran from them. I saw a bible at the dinner table and heard a voice in my heard that said "Gods Wordis our sword". I took the bible and said the same thing aloud. the bible turned into a sword in my hand and the demos got even more pissed. I fought them while reciting some Bilble verses until i beat them. For this one dream the meaning was clear. I understood that I had to study his word more in oder to defend myself better in the physical and spiritual world.

I know you guys will make fun of me it happened to me andI dont care. I know people who have had more ineresting dreams than the ones i had but they are still spiritual experineces. Many times we have moments when the presece of god invades us and we leave our physical bodies sleeping in our beds and our spirits walk around the house and when god gets us back in our body even though this happened during the whole night we feel physically like nothing happened and slept all night. This of course because our bob stayed resting

so have a laugh i guess


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Itachi Uchiha
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From: mayaguez, Puerto RIco
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Message 82 of 334 (75326)
12-27-2003 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Brian
12-27-2003 5:29 AM


"The problem with this is that too many people readily accept what these ‘interpreters’ say, they go to the interpreter with the intention of accepting what ever they say without analysing it. Why not just accept that you have had a dream and forget attaching all sorts of nonsense to it that really is nothing more than self fulfilling prophecies. We all dream, I have been to the doctor a few times for beta blockers because I suffer from horrendous nightmares now and then, I don’t go running off to the local church, what’s the point?"

This is because you should be able to tell from a dream that is a product of your human brain and a messege of god which isnt always a dream because many times God visits you in the night and takes you places in your spirit leaving your body resting in your bed while your spirit is being taken to some place. Its like dying, the difference is that when god finished showing you what he wanted he takes you back into your body.
Interpretrs dont tell you quickly what it could mean. After you tellthem youre experience they pray and read the bible looking for answers. When they reach something they let you know. Remeber that the messege could be for you or someone else. It can be good or bad news and that of course is subject to that particular moment. When the dreams come from your brain beta blckers will work but if it is a visit from a spiritual being you can take whatever you want but wont be able to stop it. Before you ask why dont you have this dreams let me tell you first that God wont visit someone who does not believe in Him.

"Dressed like Muslims? What on earth does that mean, the last Muslim I spoke to was wearing a jeans and a T-shirt. What were they dressed like?"

Sorry. I meant more like an arab. You know with the head cover and everything. Just the way Arafat wears it.

"But God’s word is not a literal sword of course, maybe you need to research this. However, what has happened is essentially what you would expect to happen in this situation, ‘I am in danger, what can help, oh the Bible can, didn’t I read somewhere that the Word is a sword, and they have swords, ahhhhhhh’

You need to stop fooling yourself."

Exactly. its not literal, its spiritual and this is the point. Research it? Read the book of Ephesians. It talks about our spiritual armor which is made to fight demons not man. I took the Bilie out of desperation. When I took it in my hands i was expecting Gods help but when it turned into a sword I remebered his word.

"Sounds like a bad trip to me, what had you been smoking that evening?"

Its called the spiritual world my friend. I hope one day you have the oportunity to find yourself in it. No law of physics or any other natural law will help you there.

"I wouldn’t make fun of you, I do have serious concerns about your state of mind though."

Did you happen to see the movie Gothika? Its a simlar case. She was seeing the girl. She was seeing part of the spiritual but in a different sense of course. Everybody thought she was cray but she was telling the truth. If you think im crazy well thats your problem pal.

"I would say that they are psychological experiences, dreams can be induced, you can also subconsciously participate in a few episodes of self hypnosis, you dream about what you want to and your experiences are all premeditated."

Yes and no. remeber the difference btween a dream created by your brain and one that comes from the outside.

"These experiences are not limited to the Xian faith, people have been doing this for centuries before Xianity was dreamed up."

I know and there stories are no less real than mine. Some come rom God and others come from different demons.

"No, not a laugh, filled with pity and sorrow, yes. It is heartbreaking that in this day and age grown adults are taking these ancient myths seriously. You, along with every other ‘born again’ really do need psychological help, and I say this not out of malice but out of live for my fellow humans. We all need to pull together and finally put the abomination of religion to bed once and for all, Xianity (and others) has ruined so many lives that we need to educate the younger generations that these myths belong on the same book shelf as the Grimm’s fairytales."

The bible states clearly that things of the spirit are crazyness for the normal man so I understand your position. Phsycological help? Youll be the one whoo will never sleep again if you get just a glimpse of what the spiritual realm is.

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BIG Bang=Bigger JOke


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Itachi Uchiha
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Message 83 of 334 (75327)
12-27-2003 1:06 PM


how do you quote what somebody wrote here?

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Itachi Uchiha
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Message 85 of 334 (75333)
12-27-2003 1:13 PM
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12-27-2003 9:25 AM


"What is the problem with your eyes that you believe demons are impairing your eyesight?"

Well I was born with cataratas(dont know how to write it in english) in my left eye and blinded it and had surgery right after birth to prevent it from spreading into my right eye which is the one i have left. The problem with the dream was that a demon was trying to further impair my vision and that is why I had to fasten and pray. To repell it


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Itachi Uchiha
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Message 86 of 334 (75334)
12-27-2003 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Chiroptera
12-27-2003 1:10 PM


thanks a lot

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Itachi Uchiha
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Message 88 of 334 (75380)
12-27-2003 9:28 PM


No. I think the technology was not available at the time. I just had it removed like a tumor.

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Itachi Uchiha
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From: mayaguez, Puerto RIco
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Message 93 of 334 (75522)
12-28-2003 11:29 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by sidelined
12-28-2003 2:26 AM


sidelined writes:

What is the level of vision acuity that you now possess? I am wondering why you consider your vision problem now to be a result of demon activity and not a natural occurence like the cataracts were?

I am almost completely blind in my left eye as result of the catarats
but have excelent right eye vision because it was removed before it could pass to my right eye. The demon wanted to harm my right eye and that is what i had to pray against. The catarats was a natural occurence because i was to big for my mothers womb. The pressure i had inside the womb made my body put that pressure on my eyes and that is why i developed the condition.


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