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Message 107 of 334 (75828)
12-30-2003 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Stephen ben Yeshua
12-30-2003 12:18 PM


Re: Demons and epistemology
Stephan
You say you were a professional scientist? Did you ever study any physics? I do not understand how you arrive at the ability to accept such blatant disregard of the very laws of nature that you would use notions like timelessness.
You say there is a measureable plausibility that we have 21 gram souls? Please tell us how you arrive at this.Then you state "where they somehow fall into a black hole and suffer a lot." You have not a lick of incredulity in you I suppose.What a loss.

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Message 109 of 334 (75832)
12-30-2003 1:09 PM
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12-30-2003 1:00 PM


Re: a personal encounter with the supernatural
Phatboy
Care to explain how you came to eliminate these explanations?
1) Bad acid.
2) Trying to get attention
3) mentally ill.
Are you even qualified to make a determination of any of those?
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Chemical kinetics firmly restrains time's arrow in the taut bow of thermodynamics for milliseconds to millennia.

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Message 115 of 334 (75858)
12-30-2003 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by Stephen ben Yeshua
12-30-2003 3:18 PM


Re: Demons and epistemology
Stephen
I am not a physicist, but I look in on what they are doing. Science makes progress by blatent disregard for the known laws. It's called a paradigm shift.
Do you include the law of gravity in your list of blatant disregard?
How about the law of inertia? Laws of electromagnetism? You can walk to the edge of a tall building and jump off in blatant disregard of these laws and let us know how much it shifted your paradigm Hmmm?
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...people today are so accustomed to pretentious nonsense that they see nothing amiss in reading without understanding, and many of them at length discover that they can without difficulty write in like manner themselves and win applause for it. And so it perpetuates itself.
G. A. Wells, 1991

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Message 117 of 334 (75904)
12-30-2003 8:37 PM
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12-30-2003 7:29 PM


Re: Demons and epistemology
Stephan
didn't Einstein basically throw out Newton's law of gravity, with his curved space-time ideas
No he did not. He showed how to calculate where Newtons equations fell apart.This improvement allowed us to investigate things that Newton was not aware of.However newtons laws are still valid for normal speeds and conditions.

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Message 118 of 334 (75906)
12-30-2003 8:49 PM
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12-30-2003 7:29 PM


Re: Demons and epistemology
Stephen
just how science at this point in history is explaining it.
Just what points is science making that you are in disagreement with and why?

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Message 123 of 334 (75957)
12-31-2003 1:51 AM
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12-31-2003 1:20 AM


Re: Demons and epistemology
Rrhain
Since they are for all practical purposes negligible then they are still valid for normal speeds and conditions. You are of course correct in principle.Thank you for setting that straight. We must also have it noted to Stephan that we did not throw out Newton with Einstein's discoveries.
I must point out that there is an everyday use in GPS systems that we use commonly enough these days that is dependent upon Einsteins theories.

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Message 148 of 334 (76227)
01-02-2004 12:55 PM
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01-02-2004 11:36 AM


Re: a personal encounter with the supernatural
Phatboy
Let me see if I get this correctly. You say you were already predisposed to belief in the supernatural and yet you were sceptic. You say you were very afraid and yet you claim you can be certain of events as they unfolded? Fear is a hugely distorting emotion especially when combined with a state of mind where you are predisposed to accepting such things without question.
Now,in this state of mind, you wish us to believe that you maintained an objective viewpoint. It is a shame that independant observations were not made by anyone else and this is the problem with stories such as this. If I say they in all likelyhood did not happen you could defend yourself without fear of being found out.It is precisely for this that science was instituted as a means of investigation.Would you care to point out to me where you find your source for this statement.
Supernatural phenomena have been documented before, as have UFO encounters.
I would like to hear if the documentation has evidence that has been properly examined.

...people today are so accustomed to pretentious nonsense that they see nothing amiss in reading without understanding, and many of them at length discover that they can without difficulty write in like manner themselves and win applause for it. And so it perpetuates itself.
G. A. Wells, 1991

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Message 157 of 334 (76479)
01-04-2004 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by Stephen ben Yeshua
01-04-2004 12:08 PM


Re: a personal encounter with the supernatural
Stephan
Check out this site.
Page not found | Skeptical Inquirer

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Message 163 of 334 (76669)
01-05-2004 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by Stephen ben Yeshua
01-05-2004 11:57 AM


Re: a personal encounter with the supernatural
Stephan
Sorry to disappoint you old man but you did not read very carefully. They did not say Drosnin did not understand the code.Here is an excerpt.
Drosnin has been stumping Australia and the world, flattering code-buster Brendan McKay with compliments such as "clown," "liar," "fraud"; and me with, ["Thomas appears not to understand the Bible Code at all."] Drosnin accuses us of "counterfeiting" codes, even though McKay and I do not need to alter even one letter of various texts -- either the puzzles are there, or they're not. (And to Drosnin's dismay, the puzzles continue to turn up everywhere). But Drosnin is also attacking us because our puzzles allegedly do not have "minimality." Not only must hidden words appear close together in a puzzle, they must also be the shortest skip distances for the given word in a fair-sized portion of the text. Drosnin only mentions minimality in passing, buried in the chapter notes at the end of his book:
You will note it is Drosnin not the authors of the article that says "Thomas appears not to understand the Bible Code at all." Now please defend your stance on how Thomas missed the point on Witzum's paper.
Ball is in your court.

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