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Dredge
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Message 226 of 307 (853646)
05-30-2019 1:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
11-22-2003 9:15 PM


Buzsaw writes:

Just tonight on Fox News it was announced that an old Hindu man has lived for 66 years without food or water


Anyone familiar with that part of the world knows it's notorious for hoax "miracles".

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Theodoric
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Message 227 of 307 (853650)
05-30-2019 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by Dredge
05-30-2019 1:04 AM


This thread was started almost 16 years ago, last response was 5 years ago and the starter of the OP is deceased.
I don't think Buz is going to reply.
Instead of making random responses to old threads, maybe you might want to consider reading the whole thread so you know what points and arguments were made. Well that is what I would do.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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ringo
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Message 228 of 307 (853657)
05-30-2019 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by Dredge
05-30-2019 1:04 AM


Dredge writes:

Anyone familiar with that part of the world knows it's notorious for hoax "miracles".


You have unanswered posts in dozens of threads. You could continue to make a fool of yourself in those threads instead of grave-digging.

Edited by ringo, : Added quote to clarify.


Izquierdo.

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Dredge
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Message 229 of 307 (854024)
06-04-2019 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 228 by ringo
05-30-2019 11:41 AM


ringo writes:


You have unanswered posts in dozens of threads.


If you'd been abducted by aliens as often as I have, you'd leave a few threads unanswered too.
Guess what? There is no Internet when you sitting in a UFO parked on the dark side of the moon!

You could continue to make a fool of yourself in those threads instead of grave-digging.

I'm sorry I such a fool, but I can't help it - I have a fragile, eggshell mind and an IQ of 9.

Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.


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Theodoric
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Message 230 of 307 (854027)
06-04-2019 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by Dredge
06-04-2019 10:09 AM


Troll.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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ringo
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Message 231 of 307 (854048)
06-04-2019 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Dredge
06-04-2019 10:09 AM


Dredge writes:

If you'd been abducted by aliens as often as I have...


So you lie again. In this post you said, "I don't believe in aliens".

Dredge writes:

... you'd leave a few threads unanswered too.


Nope.
quote:
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
I answer every post to me, to the point of being pretty annoying sometimes.

Izquierdo.

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AZPaul3
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Message 232 of 307 (854056)
06-04-2019 1:39 PM
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06-04-2019 10:09 AM


There is no Internet when you sitting in a UFO parked on the dark side of the moon!

No wifi. You need to turn on mobile data.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Pressie
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Message 233 of 307 (854148)
06-05-2019 6:58 AM
Reply to: Message 232 by AZPaul3
06-04-2019 1:39 PM


A Huawei phone would actually work there before too long . Amcans would be left out in the dark arguing whether a sperm cell is human life or not and therefore can or can't legally be tossed into the toilet. Supreme Court material.

Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 234 of 307 (854155)
06-05-2019 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by Dredge
06-04-2019 10:09 AM


Guess what? There is no Internet when you sitting in a Unidentified Flying Object parked on the dark side of the moon!

Good one. I guess that's because the sun never shines on the "dark side of the moon."


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Thugpreacha
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Message 235 of 307 (854165)
06-05-2019 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by Stile
04-08-2014 2:15 PM


Re: a personal encounter with the supernatural
My original post in 2005:
I guess that I will jump in on this one! My motive is not to try and prove or disprove anything, but merely to recount a firsthand experience. About five years ago, I and my friends were active in fellowship and communion with other Christian Believers. We were praying together in agreement, and we were becoming at peace with our relationships to each other, the world in general, and God as we knew Him. One night, I was asleep. My roomie came home with two friends. At 2 a.m. they were praying in the other room. I then heard a commotion and shouting! I observed that an electrical feeling was present in the air and that my hair on my arms was standing on end. I also became very restless and an inner impression to pray was felt.
Afterward, going out to see what the commotion was, I saw one of the guys with deep blood red eyes biting himself and emitting deep growls.
Several explanations came to my mind for why this was happening.
1) Bad acid.
2) Trying to get attention
3) mentally ill. Or...my last explanation? Perhaps supernatural.
Mind you, I was still a skeptic. One of the others spoke to him and said that "we plead the blood of Jesus over you!" Out of this guy came what may have been several different voices at once. There were no tricks. No wires. I am certain of the authenticity of this moment.
These voices cried out "The Blood! No! No!" Now I know that you all think that I was fooled, and I cannot claim that I wanted to believe that this was true at that time either. I WAS scared! Scared because I felt not in control. Yet I knew that what I heard was a real event and it sounded very otherworldly! Everyone was genuinely shaken up. This was one event among several in my life that has caused me to wonder about the supernatural and the possibilities of such as reality.

Stile writes:

Why "dismiss" the event at all?

Why not "accept" the event as a mistake in perception, only because the evidence is lacking?

Personally, I would take what I knew about the event and compare it with what I knew about reality.
If it made sense and fit in... I would think the event to be "normal."
If it doesn't make sense and fit in... I would think the event to be similar to a whole bunch of other things that don't make sense to me... things I don't know much about.

There's no reason to dismiss any event because evidence is lacking.

What we do know, though... is that it's foolish to cling to a personally preferred explanation for an event when evidence is lacking.

Have you not understood anything else before?
And then you learn how it was done and have an "ooohhhh... I see now..." moment?
What makes you think it's impossible for such a thing to happen for this event?

It sounds to me like you're just in the first stage... you currently do not understand the event.
You simply haven't reached the second stage... learning how it was done.

That's not a reason to start creating replacements for how it was done out of thin air...
Knowing that you'll likely never get to "learn how it was done" is not a reason to go along with imaginary answers either...

You always have made sense, Stile. The reason that I can respect you and get along with you is that you never dismiss me as a quack like so many others here do. Respect is earned. My intelligence is likely as high as many of the college graduates here at EvC. The one thing that disqualifies me from serious acceptance is my propensity towards belief.

Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Theodoric
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Message 236 of 307 (854175)
06-05-2019 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 235 by Thugpreacha
06-05-2019 11:50 AM


Re: a personal encounter with the supernatural
you never dismiss me as a quack like so many others here do.

I do not think you are a quack. I think you have become a self righteous, judgmental fundie. You have become a person that is a threat to me and my family. You would support the suppression and punishment of people that you feel are a threat to your religious beliefs. You do not think people should be able to criticize or belittle your beliefs. You believe non-christians should have less rights than christians. You have posted all of these things. You have become a person that threatens me.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Thugpreacha
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Message 237 of 307 (854182)
06-05-2019 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by Theodoric
06-05-2019 12:06 PM


Re: a personal encounter with the supernatural
It's too bad that we have become ideological adversaries. You and your like-minded friends threaten me as well. You are a secular law unto yourselves. You will fulfill prophecy when you unite and force the Christians into a box.

The fact you never will get(nor understand) is that one day you will bow before the God whom you thought a myth.

AddByEdit: I know that leaving this post alone will cause a reaction from you. The hate will spew out of you directed at me...when the reality is that the zeitgeist of your intelligence hates the God Who is.

That all being said, I apologize if I have offended you or your family in any way. I don't believe that you don't have the right to believe exactly what you choose to believe. Don't blame me, however, when the world goes nuts. It will happen, I believe.

Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.

Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Theodoric
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Message 238 of 307 (854185)
06-05-2019 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by Thugpreacha
06-05-2019 12:50 PM


Re: a personal encounter with the supernatural
How are we a threat to you? Has anyone told you that you should not have your beliefs? Have any atheist said you should not be allowed to criticize atheists? Have you ever been told you were a immoral person because you are a christian?
You advocate for punishing people that you feel insult your religion, your holy book and your god. Have any atheist advocated for your punishment?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Thugpreacha
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Message 239 of 307 (854186)
06-05-2019 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by Theodoric
06-05-2019 12:54 PM


Re: a personal encounter with the supernatural
No, Nobody has told me that I have no right to free speech, though you claim to speak on behalf of all of EvC when you attempt to censor me here. Granted I do get upset when you belittle my beliefs, for I feel that you are belittling my intelligence.

I discussed EvC anonymously on YouTube.

So how specifically am I a threat to you? Quotes might help state your case.
If I find that I am guilty I will retract my statements.

Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Theodoric
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Message 240 of 307 (854230)
06-05-2019 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by Thugpreacha
06-05-2019 1:04 PM


Re: a personal encounter with the supernatural
Do you think people should be able to criticize your religion? Question the existence of your god? Blaspheme against the jesus guy and your pitiful excuse for a god? Do you think the government should treat atheists differently?
Answer honestly. Do you think people should be allowed to make fun of your god without retribution?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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