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Author Topic:   The Power/Reality Of Demons And Supernatural Evil.
Thugpreacha
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Message 241 of 307 (854236)
06-06-2019 3:00 AM
Reply to: Message 240 by Theodoric
06-05-2019 10:44 PM


I'll Try And Answer Honestly...
  • Do you think people should be able to criticize your religion? Of course I support freedom of speech, but I worry that the wrong spirit is permeating the culture. Granted we have had wrong spirits(vibes) before. In some ways, things are getting better and in other ways, things are getting worse.

  • Do you think people should be able to question the existence of your god? Not only are they able...they can't help it. It is intrinsic to the fallen nature to deny that God exists. But I support freedom of expression as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of another. Religious beliefs should be protected and personal, however. If the world actually does evolve to the inevitable conclusions of prophecy, people will no longer question the premise. Everyone will know. It is in such an environment that persecution can happen. It is when Raptures could occur. It is when the fantasy becomes reality. And to take a page from jars book, the scenario will likely be what no one expected nor prophesied.

    Do you think people should be able to blaspheme against the Jesus guy and your pitiful excuse for a god? Thats what free will basically is. People have chosen their destinies as best as they can. They are fully responsible for their actions. This includes all of us. Do you think the government should treat atheists differently? The government? This entity is composed of many individuals. I believe they have chosen which club to belong to. God is not threatened by any of this. He is a threat only to those who oppose Him. I would get to know Him if I were you.
    Answer honestly. Do you think people should be allowed to make fun of your god without retribution? They should never fear retribution from us. What they should fear is retribution from God. I tend to believe, however, that it takes a lot to piss Him off.


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    Theodoric
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    Message 242 of 307 (854239)
    06-06-2019 8:15 AM
    Reply to: Message 241 by Thugpreacha
    06-06-2019 3:00 AM


    Re: I'll Try And Answer Honestly...
    Don't need your preaching. Save it for the Faith forums.

    Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

    "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

    If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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    Thugpreacha
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    Message 243 of 307 (854243)
    06-06-2019 8:58 AM
    Reply to: Message 242 by Theodoric
    06-06-2019 8:15 AM


    Re: I'll Try And Answer Honestly...
    Don't need your preaching. Save it for the Faith forums.
    lol

    And I don't need your evidence nor your insistence upon framing secular belief as the global default. Save it for your Starbucks coffee get-togethers with the inclusivists!


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    Thugpreacha
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    Message 244 of 307 (854244)
    06-06-2019 9:13 AM
    Reply to: Message 236 by Theodoric
    06-05-2019 12:06 PM


    Re: a personal encounter with the supernatural
    theodoric, accusing me writes:

    You would support the suppression and punishment of people that you feel are a threat to your religious beliefs.

    No. What I would support is the idea that secular humanism never becomes the global default "belief". It is a tool of the antichrist.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    Tangle
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    Message 245 of 307 (854250)
    06-06-2019 9:44 AM
    Reply to: Message 244 by Thugpreacha
    06-06-2019 9:13 AM


    Re: a personal encounter with the supernatural
    Phat writes:

    What I would support is the idea that secular humanism never becomes the global default "belief".

    You're in luck, secular humanism will eventually become the norm but not in your lifetime.

    It is a tool of the antichrist.

    Don't be childish.


    Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

    "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

    "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
    Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
    - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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    ringo
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    Message 246 of 307 (854265)
    06-06-2019 12:16 PM
    Reply to: Message 241 by Thugpreacha
    06-06-2019 3:00 AM


    Re: I'll Try And Answer Honestly...
    Phat writes:

    ... I worry that the wrong spirit is permeating the culture.


    Are you worried, like Faith, that the culture is going over to "the dark side"?

    Phat writes:

    It is intrinsic to the fallen nature to deny that God exists.


    There is no "fallen nature". You're calling God a liar.

    All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
    That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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    Thugpreacha
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    Message 247 of 307 (854266)
    06-06-2019 12:37 PM
    Reply to: Message 246 by ringo
    06-06-2019 12:16 PM


    Re: I'll Try And Answer Honestly...
    You're calling God a liar.
    No. Technically I'm calling the spirit the runs you around a liar. It masquerades as rational and logical yet denies Jesus Christ and shepherds you into a secular evidence-based world view which ordinarily would be fine...healthy, even. The key that this spirit isn't of God is that it denies Jesus Christ.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    ringo
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    Message 248 of 307 (854267)
    06-06-2019 12:47 PM
    Reply to: Message 247 by Thugpreacha
    06-06-2019 12:37 PM


    Re: I'll Try And Answer Honestly...
    Phat writes:

    No. Technically I'm calling the spirit the runs you around a liar.


    No. This has nothing to do with me. When you talk about "the Fall", you're calling God a liar because He said Adam and Eve had become more like Him. That is not a "Fall".

    Phat writes:

    It masquerades as rational and logical yet denies Jesus Christ ...


    Denying Jesus Christ is rational and logical. Belief is not.

    Phat writes:

    ... and shepherds you into a secular evidence-based world view which ordinarily would be fine...healthy, even.


    Accepting reality is always fine, healthy even.

    Phat writes:

    The key that this spirit isn't of God is that it denies Jesus Christ.


    And you deny God when he says there was no "Fall". So why would we pay any attention to what you think the "spirit of God" is?

    All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
    That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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    Tangle
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    Message 249 of 307 (854268)
    06-06-2019 12:49 PM
    Reply to: Message 247 by Thugpreacha
    06-06-2019 12:37 PM


    Re: I'll Try And Answer Honestly...
    Are there any other areas of you're life that you've started talking utter shite about Phat? Or is it just this religious shite? Are talking to your doctor about it?

    Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

    "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

    "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
    Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
    - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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    Thugpreacha
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    Message 250 of 307 (854270)
    06-06-2019 1:01 PM
    Reply to: Message 249 by Tangle
    06-06-2019 12:49 PM


    Re: I'll Try And Answer Honestly...
    tangle writes:

    Are there any other areas of you're life that you've started talking utter shite about Phat? Or is it just this religious shite? Are talking to your doctor about it?

    I am in contact with several Doctors. I am honest with them and take their advice. Much of my current psychosis stems from the Phentermine that I was prescribed for my weight loss. I try and keep the stimulant effects of this drug from overwhelming my usually docile mind, and have informed the Doctor of some of these side effects. Apart from that, I don't get the context of your statement. Are you attempting humor, irony, or honest criticism? Clarification will help my response.

    Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    Thugpreacha
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    Message 251 of 307 (854272)
    06-06-2019 1:06 PM
    Reply to: Message 248 by ringo
    06-06-2019 12:47 PM


    Re: I'll Try And Answer Honestly...
    ringo writes:

    And you deny God when he says there was no "Fall". So why would we pay any attention to what you think the "spirit of God" is?

    God never said that. you interpreted the scripture to say that. It is your little demon...masquerading as God...who is misleading this conversation. So why should we pay any attention to it?

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    Thugpreacha
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    Message 252 of 307 (854273)
    06-06-2019 1:10 PM
    Reply to: Message 248 by ringo
    06-06-2019 12:47 PM


    Re: I'll Try And Answer Honestly...
    ringo writes:

    Denying Jesus Christ is rational and logical.

    See what it says to you? Are you really going to continue to deny Christ and listen to that little thing? The serious part of all of this is that it has you convinced that it is you. You hear your own voice, but it is that thing that lies to you. Fight it by accepting the voice that spoke the message to you. Fight it by being true to your heart.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    ringo
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    Message 253 of 307 (854275)
    06-06-2019 1:17 PM
    Reply to: Message 251 by Thugpreacha
    06-06-2019 1:06 PM


    Re: I'll Try And Answer Honestly...
    Phat writes:

    God never said that. you interpreted the scripture to say that.


    Don't lie. The scripture does say that. Here it is again, for the umpteenth time:
    quote:
    Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
    Note: "The man is become as one of us..." That is not an interpretation. It is an exact quote.

    Phat writes:

    It is your little demon...masquerading as God...who is misleading this conversation.


    And yet I am the one who is quoting scripture.

    Phat writes:

    So why should we pay any attention to it?


    I couldn't care less what you pay attention to. But as long as you keep lying about the Bible, I'm going to point out your lies.

    All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
    That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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    Message 254 of 307 (854277)
    06-06-2019 1:19 PM
    Reply to: Message 252 by Thugpreacha
    06-06-2019 1:10 PM


    Re: I'll Try And Answer Honestly...
    Phat writes:

    Are you really going to continue to deny Christ and listen to that little thing?


    Are you really going to continue to deny reality?

    Phat writes:

    The serious part of all of this is that it has you convinced that it is you.


    You're seriously going around the bend now. There is no "it". There is no "thing". You're being paranoid. You need to get help.

    All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
    That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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    Theodoric
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    Message 255 of 307 (854280)
    06-06-2019 1:45 PM
    Reply to: Message 253 by ringo
    06-06-2019 1:17 PM


    Re: I'll Try And Answer Honestly...
    What percentage of christians do you think have ever read their bible? I mean actually read it cover to cover. Not just taking verses out of context. Does anyone think more than 5% of christians have actually read the bible?

    Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

    "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

    If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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