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Tangle Member Posts: 8087 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8
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Over the last few weeks you've turned from a nice if overly-Christian guy a bit confused about life the universe and everything to an unlikeable, aggressively pious, bullshit preaching idiot. That's all, no humour, no irony. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 7051 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
But alas you and no one else has ever presented any contemporary, historical evidence for this christ character. There is no evidence he existed so why would I put any credence into stories about him.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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ringo Member Posts: 18930 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.9 |
I don't know. My mother read it through once a year or so, but I don't think she paid much attention to doctrine. My father certainly read it through and knew it well. (He may have had the same memory for trivia that I do. ![]()
What bugs me is that they tend to think the "overall context" overrides the local context. That gives them leeway to impose their "overall" interpretation on anything. All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 15100 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Let me try and find the transcript for you, ringo.
![]() Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
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ringo Member Posts: 18930 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.9 |
No more than I have an overall interpretation of the library.
I do point out where the scriptures get it right and where believers get it wrong. “Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing.” -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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Phat Member Posts: 15100 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
A) The Book says so. IF B, then: IF 2, then: Finally, if so, and if God is limited to a human derived book, where did we get our intuitive knowledge of what is right? Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
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jar Member Posts: 33250 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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Sheesh. Phat, there are no moral or ethical observations or recommendations or commandments in the Bible stories that did not also appear even earlier in other religions and social systems. Study the writings of Mencius or Confucius or the sayings of the Buddha or Taoism or any of the thousands of religions that existed before Christianity.
Almost. The Bible points out wisdom that was also common to many social systems. There is nothing "intuitive" about it; it evolved through experience and mythos that was passed down generation by generation, society by society.
But the evidence show we are NOT born with any "right intuition™" but rather it develops over time and experience.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 272 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You could claim that Hammurabi's law preceded the Biblical commandments but all the rest you list didn't appear until the fifth to seventh centuries BC. Moses died in the 13th century BC. Christianity builds on the Old Testament. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member Posts: 33250 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
The Buddha taught everything Jesus taught and hundreds of years before Jesus lived. The Hindu Vedas predate the Old Testament and many religious system predated the Garden of Eden.
The point is that there is nothing in the Bible that was not also developed independently in many other cultures.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 272 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There are plenty of MORAL similarities, which only shows that the universe is in fact governed by moral law, which both the Bible and Buddhism maintain. I'm not sure about the others but my guess would be they all acknowledge a universal moral law. But Christianity is about our salvation from the consequences of that moral law, which is absolutely unique.
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ringo Member Posts: 18930 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.9
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Nothing is true because any book says it is. Sometimes, what a book says is true but we had to know it was true before the book was written.
God is not doing what humans need done, providing food, shelter, etc. Jesus acknowledged that when He told us to do it for each other.
That's what Paul said: "For when the gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves...." (Romans 2:14).
It isn't so much what is "right". It's what works best in a social species. It's part of our evolved social behaviour. “Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing.” -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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jar Member Posts: 33250 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Yup, the "get outta responsibility Christianity" is certainly easy to market, disgusting and pitiful.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 272 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Since it is extremely rare, if it really occurs at all, for a person to be able to undo his own moral debt, or karma as it is called in some religions, and therefore has to go to that religion's version of Hell, or get reincarnated as a cockroach or other animal form through many lives until he finally figures out how to undo his karmic debt, I would think there might be a little gratitude for God's provision of a way out of all that.
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Phat Member Posts: 15100 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
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Phat Member Posts: 15100 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1
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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
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