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SweeneyTodd
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Message 259 of 265 (98632)
04-08-2004 4:57 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Syamsu
02-16-2004 9:36 AM


Re: Creationists goodguys, Evolutionists badguys
Here we go...a broad assessment of Creation versus Evolution and your desire for some "Darwinian" impact.
Preface: As someone who agrees with the ToE as an explaination for the diversity of life on earth, I do not know anyone who is a "Darwinist". I have friends that are Creationists, anti-creationists, and ones that think they understand evolution but don't. None of us see any value in eugenics, the haulocaust, or social engineering in any way. My area of study in science is Environmental/Ecological, in which inter-connectedness and synergy of relationships is explored, so thats where I'm coming from.
Evolution Assessment: I don't see any huge impact by ideology in any sense you are argueing for. As one of my professors said in an evolution class, one of reasons the ToE works so well and helps explain so much in biology is the "absence of inconsistancies." If your claim that ideology has undue influence on ToE is true, then every scientist and every enthusiest with evolution would need to be indoctrinated somehow. There are no holy places, no hierarchy, no required reading, no absolute world view. It is not faith, it is hard work to "get" evolution. As far as contributions to the world, just open your eyes. Evolution could be viewed as a synthesis of other disciplines, such as physics, chemistry, math, geology, etc...
Some home work for you to see how you think "Darwinism" would analyze this scenerio...You have two stands of trees in similar geographical areas that are to be cut for timber. Both are pine trees, they are different species of pine, but each is commonly harvested as timber. Each stand of trees grows to a typical harvesting age of twenty years. The first stand of pines produces twice the board feet of the second stand of pines. Which is the superior pine tree? Should we only plant the one type of pine in the future?
Creationism Assessment: Hope I don't disappoint. My personal experience with creationist, and especially YECers, is with people who piggy-back and bastardize real science to achieve a predetermined agenda. There is rampant, willful misinformation directed at young people in order to win them over. I see no freedom of choice as you claim, no open minds. The theories that may be expressed seem to less about "proving" Creationism and more about bashing ToE. No scientific study in evolution that I know of had at any point a goal of getting one up on the YECers. In contrast, I believe that every argument for Creationism is simultaneously an argument against the ToE.
In Closing: All the claims that you have made about attrocities committed with a Darwinian mindset, such as "survival of the fittest" seeming to allow and even call for eugenics and genocide, are wholely outside of the ToE. Misunderstood aspects of a scientific theory should not lead any fair minded person to conclude that the science behind the misunderstanding is driven by some isidious agenda. I don't think anyone who really understands the ToE, such as the fine people you are arguing with right now, feels that it in anyway shows superiority from one organism so the next. It demonstrates successful and unsuccessful organisms. It is only in the tenets of religion and Creationism where special status is implied and organisms are judged as good or bad, or clean or unclean.
I think your assessment of the CvE debate of amazingly off. I don't think you could possibly be more wrong.
P.S. Wasn't there a touch of the occult to the Nazi's? Neo-Nazis today are surely not ideologically driven Darwinists.

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