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bluescat48
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Message 61 of 73 (487760)
11-04-2008 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by chemscience
11-04-2008 2:06 PM


Re: Gish Gallup
If you wish to discuss the Bible then open a topic in the Bible study category.

You say you are new here, so try to understand what the topic is about. The point to a science topic is that points must be backes by scientific evidence, not personnal views not undocumented references or special pleadings.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969


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Message 62 of 73 (487761)
11-04-2008 2:27 PM
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11-04-2008 2:06 PM


Starting New Topics
With a few exceptions (e.g. the "Coffee House" forum) if you want to start a new topic, you send your first post to "Proposed New Topics". The moderators may ask you where you want it placed, but it's their decision.
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bluescat48
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Message 63 of 73 (487763)
11-04-2008 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by chemscience
11-04-2008 12:48 PM


Re: BUTTERFLY CHART
Perhaps you can buy the chart

I would be interested in seeing it. Could you give me some info onwhere I could obtain it?


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969


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chemscience
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Message 64 of 73 (487765)
11-04-2008 2:49 PM
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11-04-2008 2:33 PM


PROCURING BUTTERFLY CHART
Good Show, Bluescat!

I admire a man who wants to get his hands on the evidence.

Copyright MCMXCVII
Cambridge Research Group, Ltd.
800-468-4227

Mine may have come from the British Museum.

CHEMSCIENCE


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chemscience
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Message 65 of 73 (487771)
11-04-2008 3:09 PM
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11-04-2008 10:12 AM


Re: Tern Migration
You sure know a lot about birds, Granny!

Obviously my inclusion of Tern migration is unconvincing.

How about a nice hot bowl of fetal soup?

Cheers!

CHEMSCIENCE


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Coragyps
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Message 66 of 73 (487772)
11-04-2008 3:35 PM
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11-04-2008 3:09 PM


Re: Tern Migration
How about a nice hot bowl of fetal soup?

What the hell is your problem with at least making a tiny effort to stay on topic? And where did this story of a highly questionable soup recipe come from anyway?


"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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Message 67 of 73 (487773)
11-04-2008 3:43 PM
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11-04-2008 2:49 PM


Re: PROCURING BUTTERFLY CHART
So then please describe this butterfly chart and why you find it so objectionable.

Are they photographs? Or are they drawings? If they were drawings of actual specimens, then what is the problem?


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chemscience
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Message 68 of 73 (487774)
11-04-2008 4:10 PM
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11-04-2008 3:35 PM


FETAL SOUP
Little Pot Soon Hot, Coragyps!

February 1, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Dr. Mark Miravalle's sobering book, The Seven Sorrows of China, gives, in heart-wrenching detail, accounts of the brutality of the one-child policy and its effects on the Chinese people.

"New macabre manifestations of this conscienceless abortion mentality include the recent opening of five restaurants in the region of X, which began serving 'fetal soup' at the price of 300 Yuan (approximately $40) a bowl! Recent medical publications have praised the exceptional health benefits for the consuming of 'fetal remains' (this jargon allows them to overlook what this really is-unborn baby bodies). Therefore, local entrepreneurs jumped on the opportunity to distribute this new health breakthrough to the chosen few who could afford the price. So evil and scandalous is this fetal soup trade that the Government shut down the Web sites advertising the restaurants, in fear that they would scandalize the reputation of the People's Republic to outside countries

CHEMSCIENCE


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Message 69 of 73 (487775)
11-04-2008 4:15 PM
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11-04-2008 4:10 PM


topic!
This thread is having enough trouble remaining focussed.

If you can't stay on topic then don't post! Next time you'll get a short suspension.


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chemscience
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Message 70 of 73 (487776)
11-04-2008 4:19 PM
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11-03-2008 7:52 PM


EvC Forum Director, Percy:

Please delete me entirely from this Forum. Remove my registration or whatever else it takes to cut me off.

Thank you!

CHEMSCIENCE


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onifre
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Message 71 of 73 (487777)
11-04-2008 4:30 PM
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11-04-2008 4:10 PM


Re: FETAL SOUP
February 1, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Dr. Mark Miravalle's sobering book, The Seven Sorrows of China, gives, in heart-wrenching detail, accounts of the brutality of the one-child policy and its effects on the Chinese people.

This is a complete hoax, and also has nothing to do with evolution but...
http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.jesus21.com/poppydixon/sex/chinese%5Feating%5Ffetuses.html

quote:
The rumors of Chinese fetus-eating were swallowed by the most gullible members of Congress, including Representatives Frank Wolf (R-Virginia), Chris Smith (R-New Jersey, Co-Chairman of the House Pro-Life Caucus), Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Florida), and Mark Souder (R-Indiana).

Representative Smith, best remembered for hitching his star to Cuban urchin Elian Gozales and almost single-handedly responsible for holding up our dues to the United Nations, lobbied in Congress against Most Favored Nation status for China.

Not only do these human rights problems get worse every single month that we continue to truckle to China, but they keep discovering new horrors. ...there are even some credible reports that late-term unborn children are actually being consumed as a new health food. [6]
Representative Frank Wolf openly admitted his animosity toward the Chinese. The following testimony was added to the Congressional Record.
This is fundamentally an evil group of people. This is the evil empire of modern times... This is a fundamentally evil group of people, and I worry that 3 or 4 years from now we will have to deal with those people on a military basis. [7]
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen offered the following testimony,
And, we know that these practices violate every known standard of human rights since God made Man. There are reports that aborted fetuses are sold and eaten. [8]

And Representative Mark Souder (R-Indiana) claims the

...latest health fad in the southern boom town of Shenzhen to be the consumption of human fetuses, which are believed to improve complexions and general health. Unlike the serving of endangered reptiles, a human embryo as food trade is not illegal or underground in China. [9]

And in a "Sense of Congress" statement in 1995 it was suggested to the president that he decline visiting China "unless there is dramatic overall progress on human rights in China and Tibet" including an end to the use of "human fetal remains for consumption as food." [10]

Summary
There are too many doubts cast on the Chinese fetus eating story for any thinking person to accept it as true. There is the lack of an original verifiable source. The tabloid in which the story first appeared is now defunct, and no other verifiable sources are provided. There is the lack of physical evidence, for instance, a copy of the menu on which the supposed fetus dish appears. There is the testimony of Judie Brown, of the American Life League, stating that the clinics mentioned in Bruce Gilley's article do not exist. And there is the complete lack of followup on a topic that warrants it.

Are Bruce Gilley, Mindy Belz, and Representatives Wolf, Smith, Ros-Lehtinen, and Souder so unconcerned with their own credibility that they will repeat any story they hear as long as it furthers their own political agendas, or careers? The vicious practice of blood libel goes back thousands of years. And the commandment against bearing false witness against your neighbor goes back even further. Bruce Gilley, Mindy Belz, and Representatives Wolf, Smith, Ros-Lehtinen, and Souder need to be held accountable for the racist slander and libel that they've perpetuated against the Chinese.

Nothing is more pornographic than lies engineered for racist ends, or to further careers and/or ideologies. But for some Christian "pro-lifers," and one publicity hungry journalist, the hope continues that we'll swallow anything.

Addendum
05.01 - Several readers have brought to my attention photographs of an Asian man holding a dish which appears to be a fetus. The photographs were first sent, anonymously, to rotten.com, a shock web site famous for dealing in disturbing photographs. These were later picked up by Hal Turner, a radio talk show host whose efforts veer toward alarming his right-wing audience.

06.01 - According the Taipai Times the photographs referenced in the preceeding paragraph were created by Shanghai-based performance artist Zhu Yu, in a piece entitled "Man-eater." Zhu stole the fetuses from a medical school and claimed to eat them for "art's sake." His work centers around issues of life, death and eternal life. See also How to Deal with Rights - A Criticism of the Violent Trend in Chinese Contemporary Art, by Wang Nanming.

A Malaysian tabloid had published the photos and a story alleging that a Taiwan restaurant was serving human fetus. The government of Taiwan demanded a retraction and the tabloid, Perdana, complied adding an apology.



"All great truths begin as blasphemies"

"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks

"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky


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onifre
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Message 72 of 73 (487778)
11-04-2008 4:31 PM
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11-04-2008 4:15 PM


Re: topic!
I posted my reply to chemesci before seeing your post.

Sorry for off topic reply.


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Message 73 of 73 (487781)
11-04-2008 5:52 PM
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11-04-2008 4:19 PM


chemscience writes:

EvC Forum Director, Percy:

Please delete me entirely from this Forum. Remove my registration or whatever else it takes to cut me off.

Thank you!

Well, that's a disappointment. If you would just stay on topic, none of this would be necessary. But ah well, some come some go, I'll go argue with someone else then. If you're still willing to do this, pick one or two topics to discuss in this thread (they have to be about evolution) and we can go from there. If not, too bad, your loss.


I hunt for the truth
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